From sentto-44114-15030-1029140779-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Aug 12 01:26:55 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 12 Aug 2002 01:26:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.70]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 17eAXN-0006dR-01 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 01:26:53 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-15030-1029140779-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.201] by n15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Aug 2002 08:26:21 -0000 X-Sender: Philip.Newton@datenrevision.de X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 12 Aug 2002 08:26:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 96969 invoked from network); 12 Aug 2002 08:26:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Aug 2002 08:26:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO spree.gedas.de) (139.1.44.12) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 2002 08:26:20 -0000 Received: from spree.gedas.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by spree.gedas.de (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA19785 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 10:26:18 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from blnsem05.de.gedas.vwg (blnsem05.gedas.de [139.1.84.49]) by spree.gedas.de (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA19781 for ; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 10:26:18 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by blnsem05.de.gedas.vwg with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <3W819WVB>; Mon, 12 Aug 2002 10:26:18 +0200 Message-ID: To: "'lojban@yahoogroups.com'" X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) From: "Newton, Philip" X-Yahoo-Profile: elder_newton MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 10:26:15 +0200 Subject: [lojban] fu'ivla with lujvo as rafsi? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 560 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: Philip.Newton@datenrevision.de Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list Is it possible to make type III fu'ivla using lujvo stems as pseudo-rafsi? I ask because I saw in the Nicene Creed as translated by nitcion (see, for example, http://balance.wiw.org/~jkominek/lojban/9109/msg00033.html , or nicely formatted as http://www.lojban.org/files/texts/credo ), the word "cesprenrapostolo", which appears to me to be intended as cespren-r-apostolo (or possibly cespre-n-rapostolo). That is, it uses the lujvo "cesprenu" (with pseudo-rafsi cespren-) or "cespre" as the "rafsi" of the fu'ivla. Is this sort of thing possible? If not, what would the "orthodox" form have to be? Something like "censrnapostolo" or "prenrnapostolo" -- or perhaps "lijdrnapostolo"? (I'm using -rn- rather than -nr- as glue+crunchy consonant since I think the n- is a better crunchy, since it hearkens to the accusative "apostolon", so the glue reverts to the default -r-.) mu'omi'e filip. [email copies appreciated, since I read the digest] {ko fukpi mrilu .i'o fi mi ki'u le du'u mi te mrilu loi notseljmaji} -- Philip Newton All opinions are my own, not my employer's. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/RN.GAA/GSaulB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/