From sentto-44114-15165-1029800591-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Aug 19 16:43:49 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 19 Aug 2002 16:43:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.74]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 17gwBU-00012Y-01 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 16:43:44 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-15165-1029800591-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.201] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Aug 2002 23:43:13 -0000 X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 19 Aug 2002 23:43:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 82097 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2002 23:43:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Aug 2002 23:43:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r08.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.104) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 2002 23:43:12 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id r.4b.21e256ac (4230) for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:43:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4b.21e256ac.2a92dc85@aol.com> To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10509 From: pycyn@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: kaliputra MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:43:01 EDT Subject: Re: [lojban] kau -- What does it really mean?! Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_4b.21e256ac.2a92dc85_boundary" X-archive-position: 695 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: pycyn@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --part1_4b.21e256ac.2a92dc85_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/19/2002 1:37:36 PM Central Daylight Time, a-rosta@alphaphe.com writes: > semantics of direct questions = rogative illocutionary force + semantics > of 'indirect questions'. > > By 'indirect questions' I am thinking mainly of English subordinate > interrogative clauses (in the grammatical sense). > And note that that is "specify the ordinary descriptor" {ma broda} = tell me the identity of le broda (and all the others can be reduced to {ma}) Maybe this is part of the underlying connection between relatives and interrogatives that turns up in SAE (and others?) --part1_4b.21e256ac.2a92dc85_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/19/2002 1:37:36 PM Central Daylight Time, a-rosta@alphaphe.com writes:

semantics of direct questions = rogative illocutionary force + semantics
of 'indirect questions'.

By 'indirect questions' I am thinking mainly of English subordinate
interrogative clauses (in the grammatical sense).

And note that that is "specify the ordinary descriptor" {ma broda} = tell me the identity of le broda (and all the others can be reduced to {ma}) Maybe this is part of the underlying connection between relatives and interrogatives that turns up in SAE (and others?)

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