From sentto-44114-15231-1030053592-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Aug 22 15:00:28 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:00:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.99]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 17i00A-0002Xv-00 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 15:00:26 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-15231-1030053592-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.201] by n31.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2002 21:59:54 -0000 X-Sender: a.rosta@lycos.co.uk X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 22 Aug 2002 21:59:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 28879 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2002 21:59:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Aug 2002 21:59:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailbox-14.st1.spray.net) (212.78.202.114) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2002 21:59:54 -0000 Received: from oemcomputer (host213-121-69-45.surfport24.v21.co.uk [213.121.69.45]) by mailbox-14.st1.spray.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C6EBA494E7 for ; Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:59:51 +0200 (DST) To: "Lojban@Yahoogroups. Com" Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "And Rosta" X-Yahoo-Profile: andjamin MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 23:01:19 +0100 Subject: [lojban] Broken Phone Round 4: posted to Wiki Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 X-archive-position: 761 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: a.rosta@lycos.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list http://nuzban.wiw.org/wiki/index.php?Round%20four Below I'll include the initial and final versions, but with a lot of space in front (because Colin doesn't want to see the original yet). If you think the original text is hellishly difficult (-- it was chosen randomly), just go to the Wiki & see what an amazing job Jorge did of turning it back into English. There are other impressive translations later on in the chain, but the text had degraded by then. INITIAL TEXT: Throughout the last forty years, the works of Frank Auerbach and the very specific world they evoke have been an inescapable presence in British figurative painting. Together with the equally powerful works of his two somewhat older colleagues, Francis Bacon and Lucian Freud, and those of Auerbach's close contemporary and friend Leon Kossoff, with whom he studied under David Bomberg in the late 1940s and early 1950s, Auerbach has been a singular and uncompromising artistic force. All four artists have stood firm, holding up painting as the primary means of adding to the sum of useful art in the world. Their activity has taken place throughout a largely sceptical half century and more, as the idea of art as real image has moved away from material realisation through oil on canvas. For the twentieth century, from which culturally we have not yet escaped, was dominated by collage, photography and film, as far as two-dimensional depictions of the world are concerned. FINAL TEXT: The many works of Frank Auerbach created in his first 40 years are a universe of empty-type inventions. Nothing pertaining to watercolours and British culture allow us to avoid it/them. The artists Francis Bacon, Lucian Freud and Lian Kosaf, something and new, were intensely self correct. ... Each of the four artists strongly mutually agreed that watercolour is the principal tool for increasing the intensity of art. I'm not certain I understand the referent of the last sentence. Many people have opined that the concept of art started to be divided. After 1900, illuminations and group pictures and cinema showing pictures of the Earth were more important than the aforementioned art. The four artists worked during the early development of these ideas. --And. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/mG3HAA/GSaulB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/