From sentto-44114-15264-1030297098-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Aug 25 10:38:52 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 25 Aug 2002 10:38:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.64]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 17j1Ld-0004UL-01 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 10:38:49 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-15264-1030297098-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.95] by n1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Aug 2002 17:38:18 -0000 X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 25 Aug 2002 17:38:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 44653 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2002 17:38:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Aug 2002 17:38:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.29) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2002 17:38:17 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 10:38:17 -0700 Received: from 200.69.6.27 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 25 Aug 2002 17:38:17 GMT To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Aug 2002 17:38:17.0648 (UTC) FILETIME=[326DAB00:01C24C5E] From: "Jorge Llambias" X-Originating-IP: [200.69.6.27] X-Yahoo-Profile: jjllambias2000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 17:38:17 +0000 Subject: Re: [lojban] mlana Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 794 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list la lojbab cusku di'e >le bolci cu mlana le zunle be mi le kubli >The ball is to the side of me, facing my left (on my left face) with >respect to the cube. That says that the ball is to the side of my left, but why with respect to the cube? x3 of mlana is supposed to be the direction in which x1 faces. Or did you mean to put it in x3 of zunle, or x4 of mlana? (In which cases you need either {bei} or {fo}. Could you give a simpler example, not using a complex sumti like {le zunle be mi} which adds even more reference points to the picture? >(the orientation of the ball is irrelevant, but so also is the direction >that I am currently facing) Are you saying I may not be actually facing the cube, but that the cube defines what is my "front side" in the situation? That may work for x3 of zunle/pritu and x4 of mlana (indeed it makes sense that this place overrides the inherent front side instead of just making an irrelevant comment), but I'm still in the dark about the purpose of x3 of mlana. mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/mG3HAA/GSaulB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/