Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 20 Aug 2002 06:39:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.89]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 17h9EW-0002aL-01 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 06:39:44 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-15171-1029850752-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.198] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Aug 2002 13:39:13 -0000 X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 20 Aug 2002 13:39:12 -0000 Received: (qmail 92985 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2002 13:39:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Aug 2002 13:39:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r09.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.105) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 2002 13:39:12 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-r09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v33.5.) id r.96.2b35b199 (4312) for ; Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:39:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <96.2b35b199.2a93a074@aol.com> To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10509 From: pycyn@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: kaliputra MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:39:00 EDT Subject: Re: [lojban] memories Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_96.2b35b199.2a93a074_boundary" X-archive-position: 701 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: pycyn@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list Content-Length: 3109 Lines: 75 --part1_96.2b35b199.2a93a074_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/19/2002 9:05:09 PM Central Daylight Time, phma@webjockey.net writes: > i mi morji lenu jaursabji le > spatrbasiliko kei le purlamjeftu The claim is that I only remember the fact that {le du'u mi...} not the event itself. It is clear that remembering an event is rather different from remembering that the event took place (imagery, detail, affectiveness, etc.). Whether tht is coverd by the difference between {du'u} and {nu} is not clear; another suggestion is to use {li'i}, a largely unexplored abstractor (but apparently still under {nu}). Is last week really what the memory is about, rather than just the time of the event remembered? << As to "remember to water", that should be a different word: mi zukmo'i lenu jaursabji lei spati. >> Probably right, but let's try the other for a few more rounds of commentary. --part1_96.2b35b199.2a93a074_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 8/19/2002 9:05:09 PM Central Daylight Time, phma@webjockey.net writes:


i mi morji lenu jaursabji le
spatrbasiliko kei le purlamjeftu


The claim is that I only remember the fact that {le du'u mi...} not the event itself.  It is clear that remembering an event is rather different from remembering that the event took place (imagery, detail, affectiveness, etc.).  Whether tht is coverd by the difference between {du'u} and {nu} is not clear; another suggestion is to use {li'i}, a largely unexplored abstractor (but apparently still under {nu}). 
Is last week really what the memory is about, rather than just the time of the event remembered?

<<
As to "remember to water",
that should be a different word: mi zukmo'i lenu jaursabji lei spati.
>>
Probably right, but let's try the other for a few more rounds of commentary.
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