Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 06 Aug 2002 20:27:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.69]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 17cHTq-0003ts-01 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Tue, 06 Aug 2002 20:27:26 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-14936-1028690813-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.201] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Aug 2002 03:26:55 -0000 X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 7 Aug 2002 03:26:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 93743 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2002 03:26:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Aug 2002 03:26:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakemtao02.cox.net) (68.1.17.243) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2002 03:26:53 -0000 Received: from lojban.lojban.org ([68.100.206.153]) by lakemtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20020807032650.IKYK3097.lakemtao02.cox.net@lojban.lojban.org> for ; Tue, 6 Aug 2002 23:26:50 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20020806232403.033ca770@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: rlechevalier@pop.east.cox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: <8b.1c158ef1.2a81afa2@aol.com> From: Robert LeChevalier X-Yahoo-Profile: lojbab MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2002 23:26:41 -0400 Subject: Re: [lojban] panje Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 466 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lojbab@lojban.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list Content-Length: 3380 Lines: 75 At 07:02 PM 8/6/02 -0400, pycyn@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 8/6/2002 3:33:10 PM Central Daylight Time, phma@webjockey.net writes:

a three-dimensional object that is full of holes throughout. The meanings
overlap (my bath sponge is both), but I don't see how the word is extended to
corals, which belong to the Cnidaria and don't have holes throughout. Can
someone explain? What should we call sponges, in the Porifera sense? What
should we call corals?

Maybe it means "mostly untravelling spineless critters in oceans," but that doesn't cover the general "porous material" sense (does holystone count?) . I think the creators went off in two directions from the Porifera and failed to reconcile them. The emphasis is clearly on the porous, though,. I suppose that Porifera are {panje danlu}, "spongy critters" or whatever fu'ivlos out of {danlu porifera}. Individual corals and certain coral structures are not very beholed, but at least some types of coral reefs are -- as well as some other coral structures (brains, e.g.). Maybe that is a further ground for the slide.

Yes the intent was coral structures. We specifically eschewed attempting to line the gismu up with standard biological classification schemas, which should be fu'ivla if you want to be technical, or lujvo if you want to be expressive.

lojbab

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