From sentto-44114-15541-1031700445-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Sep 10 16:28:01 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 10 Sep 2002 16:28:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.67]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 17ouQH-0007lo-01 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 16:27:57 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-15541-1031700445-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.192] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 10 Sep 2002 23:27:25 -0000 X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 10 Sep 2002 23:27:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 1415 invoked from network); 10 Sep 2002 23:27:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Sep 2002 23:27:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d06.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.38) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Sep 2002 23:27:23 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.10.) id r.99.2c50a961 (3924) for ; Tue, 10 Sep 2002 19:27:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <99.2c50a961.2aafd9d6@aol.com> To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10509 From: pycyn@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: kaliputra MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 19:27:18 EDT Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: word for "www" (was: Archive location.) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_99.2c50a961.2aafd9d6_boundary" X-archive-position: 1072 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: pycyn@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --part1_99.2c50a961.2aafd9d6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/10/2002 4:56:47 PM Central Daylight Time, lojban-out@lojban.org writes: << > Tanru are not lujvo. > >> Almost true (an odd concept in its own right). Every lujvo selects A meaning from the underlying tanru (and a tanru -- at least one -- underlies every lujvo). How do we know which meaning was selected for a given lujvo? There is nothing inherent in the lujvo to tell us, so it must be the context by which we figure it out -- if we do. But, if context is needed to figure out a "literal" lujvo (and it is), it can be used in much the same way to figure out a "metaphorical" one -- perhaps with a smaller percentage of hits than for the literal one, but rarely (if the metaphor is a good one) with a really small percentage. And a larger context will up the percentage even more in both cases. So the test proposed is not going to be a very interesting one, though better than the original no-context version. --part1_99.2c50a961.2aafd9d6_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/10/2002 4:56:47 PM Central Daylight Time, lojban-out@lojban.org writes:

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Tanru are not lujvo.
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Almost true (an odd concept in its own right).  Every lujvo selects A meaning from the underlying tanru (and a tanru -- at least one -- underlies every lujvo).  How do we know which meaning was selected for a given lujvo?  There is nothing inherent in the lujvo to tell us, so it must be the context by which we figure it out -- if we do.  But, if context is needed to figure out a "literal" lujvo (and it is), it can be used in much the same way to figure out a "metaphorical" one -- perhaps with a smaller percentage of hits than for the literal one, but rarely (if the metaphor is a good one) with a really small percentage. And a larger context will up the percentage even more in both cases. So the test proposed is not going to be a very interesting one, though better than the original no-context version.


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