From sentto-44114-15810-1032364436-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Sep 18 08:56:10 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 18 Sep 2002 08:56:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.69]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 17rhBQ-0000sk-01 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 08:56:08 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-15810-1032364436-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.201] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 18 Sep 2002 15:53:57 -0000 X-Sender: arosta@uclan.ac.uk X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 18 Sep 2002 15:53:56 -0000 Received: (qmail 96892 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2002 15:53:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 18 Sep 2002 15:53:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO com1.uclan.ac.uk) (193.61.255.3) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Sep 2002 15:53:56 -0000 Received: from gwise-gw1.uclan.ac.uk by com1.uclan.ac.uk with SMTP (Mailer); Wed, 18 Sep 2002 16:03:15 +0100 Received: from DI1-Message_Server by gwise-gw1.uclan.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Wed, 18 Sep 2002 16:35:28 +0100 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.2 To: lojban From: And Rosta X-Yahoo-Profile: andjamin MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Wed, 18 Sep 2002 16:35:00 +0100 Subject: [lojban] lo'e, le'e, tu'o Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 1298 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: arosta@uclan.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list Jorge: #la and cusku di'e #>I wonder whether,for the benefit of people other than Jorge & pc, #>Jorge could give us a canonical list of examples using {lo'e}. # #I don't think I could give a canonical list. The examples #we've been using are things like {nelci lo'e cakla}, #{nitcu lo'e tanxe}, {pixra lo'e sincrboa}, {simsa lo'e sfofa}, #{claxu lo'e rebla}, etc. those are useful, but {lo'e} makes #sense in any position where {lo} does. # #What do you think of the explanation of {broda lo'e brode} #in terms of {kairbroda}? I still haven't had time to digest those ideas, but in the meantime I have remembered an old argument in favour of {lo'e} or {tu'o} in these exx. It seems to me that what is essentially going on in these exx -- and also generally with generic reference -- is that a category is being conceptualized as a single individual ("myopic singularization"). E.g. it is quite easy to think of Chocolate as a single individual, and "I like chocolate" means the same as "I like Chocolate". So on this basis I understand your use of {lo'e} and agree with it. The question that remains in my mind is whether there is a difference between {lo'e broda} and {tu'o broda}. BTW, this automatically gives us a useful meaning for {le'e} -- it would mean {(ro) le pa}. --And. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Sell a Home with Ease! http://us.click.yahoo.com/SrPZMC/kTmEAA/MVfIAA/GSaulB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/