From sentto-44114-15894-1032506836-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Sep 20 00:29:40 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 20 Sep 2002 00:29:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.71]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 17sIEM-0000Jm-01 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 00:29:38 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-15894-1032506836-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.198] by n16.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Sep 2002 07:27:16 -0000 X-Sender: nessus@free.fr X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 20 Sep 2002 07:27:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 95618 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2002 07:27:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 20 Sep 2002 07:27:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mel-rto2.wanadoo.fr) (193.252.19.254) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Sep 2002 07:27:16 -0000 Received: from mel-rta9.wanadoo.fr (193.252.19.69) by mel-rto2.wanadoo.fr (6.5.007) id 3D89D99900073329 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 09:27:15 +0200 Received: from ftiq2awxk6 (193.248.237.59) by mel-rta9.wanadoo.fr (6.5.007) id 3D801204004E360A for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 20 Sep 2002 09:27:15 +0200 Message-ID: <000d01c26078$e034e4a0$3bedf8c1@ftiq2awxk6> To: References: <125.16ccac89.2abb8510@aol.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Lionel Vidal" X-Yahoo-Profile: cmacinf MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Fri, 20 Sep 2002 09:38:34 +0200 Subject: Re: [lojban] tu'o usage Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 1382 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: nessus@free.fr Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list pc: > Does this mean that {tu'o broda cu brode} and {tu'o broda na brode} both > imply that there is only one broda, while {pa broda cu brode} does and {pa > broda na brode} does not. I don't think so. With {tu'o} (don't worry about quantifier) as with {pa} (exactly one of potentially many which really are), you may infere that there is only one broda by analysing and understanding the semantic of {broda}, and this independently of the rest of the proposed bridi. I think that only something like {lo pa broda} will clearly show that there is only one broda without even looking at {broda}, providing that you agree before hand on the truth of the bridi. I tend now to see {tu'o} as some shorcut for {lopa}, though I am not sure of its usefullness (you don' even gain a letter :-), but I agree you could say you gain one word). mu'omi'e lioNEL ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Plan to Sell a Home? http://us.click.yahoo.com/J2SnNA/y.lEAA/MVfIAA/GSaulB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/