From fracture@cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com Sun Sep 22 08:44:21 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 22 Sep 2002 08:44:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com ([66.68.125.184] ident=root) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17t8uB-0004Mk-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 08:44:19 -0700 Received: from cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (asdf@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id g8MFmaGZ074864 for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 10:48:36 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from fracture@cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com) Received: (from fracture@localhost) by cs6668125-184.austin.rr.com (8.12.3/8.12.3/Submit) id g8MFmZl6074863 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 10:48:35 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 10:48:35 -0500 From: Jordan DeLong To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: selbri first Message-ID: <20020922154835.GA74783@allusion.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="4Ckj6UjgE2iN1+kY" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-archive-position: 1482 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: fracture@allusion.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --4Ckj6UjgE2iN1+kY Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Sep 22, 2002 at 08:08:44AM -0000, Viktoro wrote: > Can one put the selbri first in a sentence like the following? >=20 > dunda fi la klaudias. fe le cukta fa viktor. > Victor gives the book to Claudia. >=20 > Is that correct? Almost; You need a "la" in front of viktor. You can also do like: dunda fa la viktor. le cukta la klaudias. It's common to see word order like this sometimes as well, such as xamgu fa lenu do tavla fo la lojban. It is good that [the event of] you speak lojban. to emphasize the selbri rather than the 'subject' in x1. If you're building a sentence with bridi-tails, however, you're probably going to want at least one term in front of the selbri. > Are there other ways to put the selbri first in non-observatives? The easiest way is what you just did; you can use cmavo like 'fa' to put things into those places. Sometimes people will leave out the first place even if the sentence is sorta a non-observative, and allow the zo'e to imply the meaning. --=20 Jordan DeLong - fracture@allusion.net lu zo'o loi censa bakni cu terzba le zaltapla poi xagrai li'u sei la mark. tuen. cusku --4Ckj6UjgE2iN1+kY Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQE9jeZTDrrilS51AZ8RAjkvAKDFRnqMjUkeB+lAUFuCJ/y88gOf8QCfScQY 0FklURom+HgPav2t554h3UA= =XADi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --4Ckj6UjgE2iN1+kY--