From sentto-44114-16279-1033414707-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Sep 30 12:42:01 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 30 Sep 2002 12:42:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.67]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 17w6QZ-0001xL-00 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 12:41:59 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-16279-1033414707-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.98] by n12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 30 Sep 2002 19:38:27 -0000 X-Sender: a.rosta@lycos.co.uk X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 30 Sep 2002 19:38:26 -0000 Received: (qmail 93754 invoked from network); 30 Sep 2002 19:38:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Sep 2002 19:38:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mailbox-15.st1.spray.net) (212.78.202.115) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Sep 2002 19:38:26 -0000 Received: from oemcomputer (host213-121-71-149.surfport24.v21.co.uk [213.121.71.149]) by mailbox-15.st1.spray.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 809B720174 for ; Mon, 30 Sep 2002 21:38:23 +0200 (DST) To: "lojban" Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <200209301558.LAA20589@mail2.reutershealth.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal From: "And Rosta" X-Yahoo-Profile: andjamin MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 20:40:01 +0100 Subject: [lojban] Re: LOI PRENU GO PA MEI GI KA'E NAI TE JINGA? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 1767 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: a.rosta@lycos.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list From: John Cowan > And Rosta scripsit: > > > How about {loi prenu go pa mei gi ka'e nai te jinga} > > that sounds pretty coolass to me -- something John might consent to chant. > > Indeed I would. Alas, "gi nai" are about as united as any two cmavo can > possibly be, and "ka'e" can't intervene. A UI can intervene, > but the result is that the "nai" binds to the UI. Is {ka'e nai} not standard Lojban for "cannot"? The meaning I intended was "is a unity iff cannot be defeated" -- makes a stronger claim than the original, but not inappropriately so. That is, the meaning is "go pa mei gi na ka'e te jinga". > I think the best we can do is "loi prenu. go pamei. giNAI ka'E te jinga." > > > But it won't work if GA can occur tanru internally, which it probably can. > > No, that's why GUhA exists -- to eliminate the ambiguity. So I reckon "LOI PRENU GO PA MEI GI KA'E NAI TE JINGA" should do the job, then, right? --And. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Plan to Sell a Home? http://us.click.yahoo.com/J2SnNA/y.lEAA/MVfIAA/GSaulB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/