From jjllambias@hotmail.com Fri Sep 13 13:44:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 13 Sep 2002 20:44:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 46963 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2002 20:44:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m8.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 13 Sep 2002 20:44:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.118) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Sep 2002 20:44:52 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 13:44:52 -0700 Received: from 200.49.74.2 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 13 Sep 2002 20:44:52 GMT To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [lojban] tunlo Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 20:44:52 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Sep 2002 20:44:52.0661 (UTC) FILETIME=[69065650:01C25B66] From: "Jorge Llambias" X-Originating-IP: [200.49.74.2] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=6071566 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjllambias2000 X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 15662 la pycyn cusku di'e [bikla] >A complex (and presumably unanalyzable in more basic ways) action involving >a >rapid foreward acceleration and deceleration of the bent forearm and >simultaneously a retro acceleration and deceleration of the wrist. >Or, to do it the illegal way, what happens when you whip something with a >whip -- minus the whip and the thing. Well, I guess that's one word predestined to change meaning if it ever gets used. ><< >What would "blink" be? > >> >I suppose (I don't read this stuff when it is not on the quiz) that a lujvo >with an agentive terminal would be preferred. When I said "easy cases" I >did >*not* mean "for mmaking up lujvo for." Blinking is relatively easy to >describe and isolate, though trickier to translate (hey, a useful lujvo on >the list {kalgai} for "eyelid.") "rapidly close and open" is just going to >come out way too long -- with the terminal {gau} in addition. Besides, it would suggest "wink" more than "blink". Maybe {kalgaifri} for "blink", {kalgaifru} for "wink"? >in any case, you can't fire a gun, since it may misfire in a >variety of way, but, then, you can't pull the trigger, since it might >stick. >Hey, but you *can* curl your index finger when it is around that trigger. It doesn't sound very convincing to me. What if your clumsiness/ nervousness/whatever makes you curl another finger, or your other hand's index finger, when you meant to curl your index finger? Anyway, if these basic actions are meant to be intentional actions, then {senci} (sneeze) should be removed from the list, and probably {cmila} (laugh) too. That leaves cisma (smile), frumu (frown), bikla (whip), and tunlo (swallow). Not the most persuasive list to justify tunlo's lack of x2. mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com