From sentto-44114-15378-1031024861-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Sep 02 20:48:14 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 02 Sep 2002 20:48:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.84]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 17m4fj-0001Oa-01 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Mon, 02 Sep 2002 20:48:12 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-15378-1031024861-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.94] by n28.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Sep 2002 03:47:41 -0000 X-Sender: jcowan@reutershealth.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_0_1); 3 Sep 2002 03:47:40 -0000 Received: (qmail 80937 invoked from network); 3 Sep 2002 03:47:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Sep 2002 03:47:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail2.reutershealth.com) (65.246.141.151) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Sep 2002 03:47:39 -0000 Received: from skunk.reutershealth.com (IDENT:cowan@[10.65.117.21]) by mail2.reutershealth.com (Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA26334; Mon, 2 Sep 2002 23:58:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200209030358.XAA26334@mail2.reutershealth.com> Received: by skunk.reutershealth.com (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Mon, 2 Sep 2002 23:44:12 +4400 To: opoudjis@optushome.com.au (Nick Nicholas) Cc: lojban@yahoogroups.com In-Reply-To: from "Nick Nicholas" at Sep 03, 2002 01:18:54 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL3] From: John Cowan X-Yahoo-Profile: john_w_cowan MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2002 23:44:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: pronunciation guide for lessons Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 908 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jcowan@reutershealth.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list Nick Nicholas scripsit: > reading between the lines (same goes for Jorge's response on the > Wiki): the point should be that I establish a contrast, any contrast, > in the languages, rather than reproduce the Lojban phonemes? i.e. p > vs. b for Mandarin, as opposed to p (or b) vs. "does not exist"? Or > am I overgeneralising? Well, I believe that is the correct policy. As long as the distinction between Lojban /p/ and /b/ is audible, it matters little whether it is about voicing, aspiration, or both. -- John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowan http://www.reutershealth.com Unified Gaelic in Cyrillic script! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Celticonlang ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> 4 DVDs Free +s&p Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/GSaulB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/