From nessus@free.fr Thu Sep 19 03:51:08 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: nessus@free.fr X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 19 Sep 2002 10:51:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 77643 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2002 10:51:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2002 10:51:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mel-rto2.wanadoo.fr) (193.252.19.254) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2002 10:51:07 -0000 Received: from mel-rta10.wanadoo.fr (193.252.19.193) by mel-rto2.wanadoo.fr (6.5.007) id 3D760C960087D368 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 12:51:06 +0200 Received: from ftiq2awxk6 (80.9.199.161) by mel-rta10.wanadoo.fr (6.5.007) id 3D80120800457B46 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 12:51:06 +0200 Message-ID: <001601c25fcc$2ffd6d20$a1c70950@ftiq2awxk6> To: References: <19d.8e35557.2ab9e5d9@aol.com> Subject: [lojban] tu'o usage Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 13:01:06 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 From: "Lionel Vidal" X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=47678341 X-Yahoo-Profile: cmacinf X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 15840 la pc cusku di'e: > {tu'o}, the "null operand" (nowhere further explained) is used here as a > vacuous PA. The grammar requires a descriptor or a number here, but the fact > is that there is always exactly one thing satisfying this description, so why > get involved with all the problems (quantifiers especially) that using a > regular form involves? la xorxes cusku di'e >{tu'o} is the "quantifier" you use when you don't want a >quantifier. What is then the semantic of {tu'o broda}? If it is used when there is exactly one thing satisfying the description, why not be explicit with {lo pa broda}? mu'omi'e lioNEL