From lojban-out@lojban.org Wed Sep 11 23:28:22 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 12 Sep 2002 06:28:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 6776 invoked from network); 12 Sep 2002 06:28:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 12 Sep 2002 06:28:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Sep 2002 06:28:22 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 17pNSg-0007Cm-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 23:28:22 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17pNS5-0007CT-00; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 23:27:45 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 11 Sep 2002 23:27:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.ispwest.com ([216.52.245.18] helo=ispwestemail1.aceweb.net) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17pNRx-0007CK-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 23:27:37 -0700 Received: from surreality.us (unverified [4.47.250.140]) by ispwestemail1.aceweb.net (Vircom SMTPRS 1.4.232) with SMTP id for ; Wed, 11 Sep 2002 23:20:37 -0700 Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 23:20:33 -0700 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: Re: [lojban] "boring" Message-Id: <20020911232033.5dd5a5b3.rizen@surreality.us> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.8.2 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-debian-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg="pgp-sha1"; boundary="=.Iu7ga(?/ZS6,HD" X-archive-position: 1175 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rizen@surreality.us Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Theodore Reed From: Theodore Reed Reply-To: rizen@surreality.us X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 15622 --=.Iu7ga(?/ZS6,HD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Wed, 11 Sep 2002 09:46:29 EDT pycyn@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 9/6/2002 11:12:47 AM Central Daylight Time, > Philip.Newton@datenrevision.de writes: > > << > > How to express (with an attitudinal) that something is boring? I would have > > expected something like "opposite of interesting". > > > > .a'u is "interest" but .a'unai is glossed as "repulsion"... could I also > > use > > it for "this is boring"? As in {.a'unai le veltivni cu spofu}? > >> > Good question! It looks as though "interest" here (key words are not our > friends) means something like "attraction," which is certainly one sense of > "interest," though not the first to come to mind as an emotion. "boring," in > particular, lies in another direction, without the evaluative component (we > can be bored with attractive ideas -- or their expressions --as much as with > unattractive ones). Probably there is something to be worked out with the > dimensional emotive system, but no one uses it or can decode it on the fly > (and often not with the book in front of them), so that probably wont help > for "booooooring" > {a'a} won't help, since its neutral position covers daydreaming better than > being bored -- for which one has to be at least somewhat attentive. > Maybe a combination of {ueru'e} and {u'inai}? > > << > And as for the adjective -- tolci'i? tolzdi? > >> > Both seem to work, though for slightly different notions, obviously. But > they fit in nicely with the suggested attitudinals. Probably {malslabu} > works for another sense. > Why not just use .a'ucu'i? The refgramm glosses it as "no interest". If you want to be even more particular you could use .a'ucu'iro'e or any of the other emotional catagories. -- Theodore Reed (rizen/bancus) -- http://surreality.us:8080/~rizen/ ~ GPG/PGP Signed/Encrypted Mail Preferred. ~ Finger me for my public key! "Love is the law, love under will. Nor let the fools mistake love; for there are love and love. There is the dove, and there is the serpent. Choose ye well!" -- Liber AL vel Legis, 1:57 --=.Iu7ga(?/ZS6,HD Content-Type: application/pgp-signature [Attachment content not displayed.] --=.Iu7ga(?/ZS6,HD--