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To: "John Cowan" <jcowan@reutershealth.com>
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Subject: RE: [lojban] LOI PRENU  GO PA MEI  GI KA'E NAI TE JINGA?
Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 21:00:33 +0100
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From: "And Rosta" <a.rosta@lycos.co.uk>
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John:
> And Rosta scripsit:
> 
> > Is {ka'e nai} not standard Lojban for "cannot"? The meaning I intended
> > was "is a unity iff cannot be defeated" -- makes a stronger claim than
> > the original, but not inappropriately so. That is, the meaning is
> > "go pa mei gi na ka'e te jinga".
> 
> No, ka'enai is ungrammatical.  But it so happens that "ka'e na" will work,
> since tenses and NAs can be interchanged.

True, & in fact I'd thought of that but decided that it was a bit
hypocritical of me to rely on this rule only a couple of days after
advocating shunning it...

--And.