Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 22 Sep 2002 12:50:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.78]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 17tCkI-000533-00 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 12:50:22 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-16000-1032724064-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.195] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Sep 2002 19:47:44 -0000 X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 22 Sep 2002 19:47:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 83325 invoked from network); 22 Sep 2002 19:47:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 22 Sep 2002 19:47:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-d09.mx.aol.com) (205.188.157.41) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Sep 2002 19:47:43 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.10.) id r.74.23664d04 (4402) for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2002 15:47:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <74.23664d04.2abf785c@aol.com> To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10509 From: pycyn@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: kaliputra MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2002 15:47:40 EDT Subject: [lojban] Re: tu'o usage Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_74.23664d04.2abf785c_boundary" X-archive-position: 1488 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: pycyn@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list Content-Length: 4369 Lines: 79 --part1_74.23664d04.2abf785c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/21/2002 9:26:18 PM Central Daylight Time, jjllambias@hotmail.com writes: << > I don't remember it being settled and decided (by whom?) the way > you want. For me {ro} is non-importing. >> Actually, on 15-03-02 you set forth (again) your system, acknowledging that it was aberrant, and claiming for it a simplicity that it turned out not to have when actually applied or worked out theoretically. That aside you acknowledged the correctness -- within Lojban of the importing system. Your {ro} is just {ro ni'u}, which is rarely useful and on those occasions is easily reached by falling back to standard Logic notation (your claim that ordinary {ro} can be reached in the same way from {ro ni'u} is true, but hardly an efficient suggestion. Of course, we still disagree about whether "every" -- you probably say "all" -- really has existential import.) << So for you {ga broda ginai broda} can be false for selected broda? For me it's a tautology. >> I'm not sure that I understand this, but I suppose you mean {lo brode ga broda ginai brode} can be false. Yes, it can, if there are no brode. But, note, {naku le brode ga broda ginai brode} is false as well, so tautological status is not affected -- the sentence is merely ill-formed at a low level. --part1_74.23664d04.2abf785c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/21/2002 9:26:18 PM Central Daylight Time, jjllambias@hotmail.com writes:

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I don't remember it being settled and decided (by whom?) the way
you want. For me {ro} is non-importing.

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Actually, on 15-03-02 you set forth (again) your system, acknowledging that it was aberrant, and claiming for it a simplicity that it turned out not to have when actually applied or worked out theoretically. That aside you acknowledged the correctness -- within Lojban of the importing system. Your {ro} is just {ro ni'u}, which is rarely useful and on those occasions is easily reached by falling back to standard Logic notation (your claim that ordinary {ro} can be reached in the same way from {ro ni'u} is true, but hardly an efficient suggestion. Of course, we still disagree about whether "every" -- you probably say "all" -- really has existential import.)

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So for you {ga broda ginai broda} can be false for selected broda?
For me it's a tautology.
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I'm not sure that I understand this, but I suppose you mean {lo brode ga broda ginai brode} can be false. Yes, it can, if there are no brode. But, note, {naku le brode ga broda ginai brode} is false as well, so tautological status is not affected -- the sentence is merely ill-formed at a low level.

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