Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 19 Sep 2002 13:47:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.85]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 17s8D4-0005bj-00 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 13:47:38 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-15885-1032468318-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.95] by n29.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Sep 2002 20:45:18 -0000 X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_3); 19 Sep 2002 20:45:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 21001 invoked from network); 19 Sep 2002 20:45:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 19 Sep 2002 20:45:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m08.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.163) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Sep 2002 20:45:17 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-m08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.10.) id r.138.148f51e1 (4230) for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 16:45:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <138.148f51e1.2abb9155@aol.com> To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10509 From: pycyn@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: kaliputra MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 16:45:09 EDT Subject: Re: [lojban] ka versus du'u Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_138.148f51e1.2abb9155_boundary" X-archive-position: 1373 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: pycyn@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list Content-Length: 3553 Lines: 76 --part1_138.148f51e1.2abb9155_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/19/2002 1:04:49 PM Central Daylight Time, jjllambias@hotmail.com writes: << > One way it can be done is with subscripts: > > le ka ce'uxipa ce'uxire zo'u broda fa ce'uxipa > ce'uxire ce'uxire ce'uxipa > > Another way is with goi: > > le ka ce'u goi ko'a ce'u goi ko'e zo'u broda fa > ko'a ko'e ko'e ko'a >> As I said, it can be done, but it is not tidy the way that {da, de, di} is (though, of course, these have to go to subscripts eventually as well) -- nor nearly as clear, either to the eye or the understanding. I'm not sure what the ideal solution would be (I personally like taking {ce'u} as lambda and using the regular variables) or even a practical one, but if we are going to do much more of this lambdaing, we need somthing, just to make usuable example. --part1_138.148f51e1.2abb9155_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 9/19/2002 1:04:49 PM Central Daylight Time, jjllambias@hotmail.com writes:

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One way it can be done is with subscripts:

        le ka ce'uxipa ce'uxire zo'u broda fa ce'uxipa
        ce'uxire ce'uxire ce'uxipa

Another way is with goi:

        le ka ce'u goi ko'a ce'u goi ko'e zo'u broda fa
        ko'a ko'e ko'e ko'a

>>
As I said, it can be done, but it is not tidy the way that {da, de, di} is (though, of course, these have to go to subscripts eventually as well) -- nor nearly as clear, either to the eye or the understanding.  I'm not sure what the ideal solution would be (I personally like taking {ce'u} as lambda and using the regular variables) or even a practical one, but if we are going to do much more of this lambdaing, we need somthing, just to make usuable example.
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