From sentto-44114-16341-1033594174-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Oct 02 14:33:22 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 02 Oct 2002 14:33:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.72]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 17wr7P-0006Ow-01 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Wed, 02 Oct 2002 14:33:19 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-16341-1033594174-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.97] by n17.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Oct 2002 21:29:35 -0000 X-Sender: lojbab@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: Lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 2 Oct 2002 21:29:33 -0000 Received: (qmail 99710 invoked from network); 2 Oct 2002 21:29:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Oct 2002 21:29:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lakemtao03.cox.net) (68.1.17.242) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2002 21:29:30 -0000 Received: from lojban.lojban.org ([68.100.206.153]) by lakemtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20021002212930.EDFF16428.lakemtao03.cox.net@lojban.lojban.org> for ; Wed, 2 Oct 2002 17:29:30 -0400 Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20021002170951.030d5e70@pop.east.cox.net> X-Sender: rlechevalier@pop.east.cox.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 To: Lojban In-Reply-To: From: Robert LeChevalier X-Yahoo-Profile: lojbab MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 17:14:21 -0400 Subject: [lojban] Re: gizmu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 1830 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lojbab@lojban.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list At 03:10 PM 10/1/02 +0100, And Rosta wrote: >Out of curiosity, I wonder to what extent Lojbanists anglicize the >pronunciation of Lojban words when used in English. For example, I >unconsciously anglicize _gismu_ to /gizmu/. (I have other strange >mispronunciations too, but they are not obvious anglicizations.) "gismu" for me has a very sibilant "s", and indeed I think much of my Lojban is afflicted with overly sibilant sibilants, so that I often tongue-twist in the "She sells seashells by the seashore" manner. The worst problem that most people notice in English-Anerican Lojban speaking is the schwa-ing of unstressed vowels, especially "a". lojbab -- lojbab lojbab@lojban.org Bob LeChevalier, President, The Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA 703-385-0273 Artificial language Loglan/Lojban: http://www.lojban.org ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Sell a Home for Top $ http://us.click.yahoo.com/RrPZMC/jTmEAA/MVfIAA/GSaulB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/