From lojban-out@lojban.org Tue Oct 29 06:37:39 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 29 Oct 2002 14:37:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 16670 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2002 04:53:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 29 Oct 2002 04:53:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Oct 2002 04:53:09 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 186ONJ-0005CD-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 20:53:09 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 186ONB-0005Bp-00; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 20:53:01 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 28 Oct 2002 20:53:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from rlpowell by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 186ON7-0005Be-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 28 Oct 2002 20:52:57 -0800 Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 20:52:57 -0800 To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: PLEASE HELP NOW! NO LOJBAN SKILL NEEDED! rafsi conversion Message-ID: <20021029045257.GS6599@digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: <20021029014315.GP6599@digitalkingdom.org> <5.1.0.14.0.20021028232320.03055ec0@pop.east.cox.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021028232320.03055ec0@pop.east.cox.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-archive-position: 2362 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: Robin Lee Powell From: Robin Lee Powell Reply-To: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 16846 On Mon, Oct 28, 2002 at 11:28:58PM -0500, Robert LeChevalier wrote: > At 05:43 PM 10/28/02 -0800, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > >I really, *REALLY* don't want to do the rafsi conversion too. I'm > >working hard enough on the rest of it as it is. > > > >The file I need converted is > >http://www.lojban.org/twiki/pub/Files/Documents/colossal_cave.txt > > > >It use the pre-1993 rafsi. > > Note that this conversion should be quite trivial. The noralujv.txt > file in the dictionary working files should have all of these lujvo > both in old and new form. I believe you mean http://www.lojban.org/files/draft-dictionary/Working/luj1999.ZIP > Look up the word in the leftmost column with a text search and > something out to the right should say what it should be in the current > language. Only occasionally will a remade word be missing, if it > seemed like the word might mean something without remaking. >>From the file: Brackets with no plus indicate that this word may have used old rafsi (pre-1994) and had a different form after 1994 changes and baselining. Because this was not certain in most cases, I left the old form in the file with the non-plus bracket to indicate that the total frequency was being applied to another word form. That other word form, the post-changed-rafsi form, is listed with whatever actual frequency that it was used, plus the bracketed amount from the previous usage form (these remade words therefore have brackets WITH a plus). Of course, when rafsi were switched, and both forms of the word saw use, it is impossible to tell which usages hjad which meaning without going back to the original text and manually checking. The frequency counts are not important enough for that. So it's hardly a certainty, but it may do for a first pass. I'd really rather someone else did the actual work, though. -Robin -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ http://www.lojban.org/ la lojban. jai curmi roda .einai to ku'i so'ada mukti le nu co'a darlu le'o -- RLP I'm a *male* Robin.