From a.rosta@lycos.co.uk Wed Oct 09 18:22:21 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_0); 10 Oct 2002 01:22:19 -0000 Received: (qmail 85721 invoked from network); 10 Oct 2002 01:22:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Oct 2002 01:22:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Oct 2002 01:22:20 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 17zS5k-00085c-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 18:26:20 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17zS58-000851-00; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 18:25:42 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 09 Oct 2002 18:25:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailbox-7.st1.spray.net ([212.78.202.107]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17zS54-00084d-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 09 Oct 2002 18:25:38 -0700 Received: from oemcomputer (host213-121-68-246.surfport24.v21.co.uk [213.121.68.246]) by mailbox-7.st1.spray.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7E7A271AB for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2002 03:21:03 +0200 (DST) To: Subject: [lojban] eschewing SE (was: RE: Re: Standard Lojban (was: The Alice Translation HasMoved And Changed) (fwd) Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 02:22:43 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20021009134803.X23951-100000@granite.thestonecutters.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-archive-position: 2086 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: a.rosta@lycos.co.uk Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: "And Rosta" Reply-To: a.rosta@lycos.co.uk X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122260811 X-Yahoo-Profile: andjamin X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 16571 Xod: > While I'm at it I might as well mention a habit that I think makes Lojban > simpler, easier for students (most of us!), and remains well within the > bounds of Standard Lojban. It is the eschewing of selbri SE. The places > are hard enough to remember as they are, without the conversions. And > there are ways to announce focus that are more lojbanic: ba'e, and UI. I feel the same, but if you want to eschew it completely then its use in a sumti tail, {le se broda}, will have to be replaced by {poi'i}/{se ka}, {le poi'i (ke'a) broda}/{le se ka ce'u broda}, each of which is unofficial. --And.