From sentto-44114-16505-1034111530-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Tue Oct 08 14:25:09 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 08 Oct 2002 14:25:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.101]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 17z1ql-0006wv-00 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Tue, 08 Oct 2002 14:25:07 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-16505-1034111530-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.201] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Oct 2002 21:12:12 -0000 X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_0); 8 Oct 2002 21:12:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 30962 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2002 21:12:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Oct 2002 21:12:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.241) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Oct 2002 21:12:11 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 8 Oct 2002 14:12:10 -0700 Received: from 200.49.74.2 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 08 Oct 2002 21:12:10 GMT To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Oct 2002 21:12:10.0542 (UTC) FILETIME=[5D9AE4E0:01C26F0F] From: "Jorge Llambias" X-Originating-IP: [200.49.74.2] X-Yahoo-Profile: jjllambias2000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Tue, 08 Oct 2002 21:12:10 +0000 Subject: [lojban] e'i Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 1992 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list la pycyn cusku di'e >And som I have no idea >what they do or mean ({e'i} for example). I had a similar feeling about {e'i} until recently, but I "discovered" what it means while translating Le Petit Prince. I had two occasions to use it: i e'i lo'e verba cu mutce fraxu lo'e makcu prenu and: -- i mi mutce nelci lo'e solri nu canci i e'u mi'o viska lo solri nu canci -- i ku'i e'i mi'o denpa -- i denpa ma -- i denpa le nu le solri cu canci We can say that whereas {ei} indicates how things must be (necessarily should be) in an ideal world, {e'i} indicates how things must be (necessarily are) in this world. {ei}: this is how things should be. {e'i}: this is how things are and we must accomodate. From the parallel discussion about ka'e/ca'a being held on the Wiki, I'm tempted to draw the analogy: ei:e'i::ka'e::ca'a Another parallelism: au:a'o:ui::nu'o:ka'e:ca'a mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Sell a Home with Ease! http://us.click.yahoo.com/SrPZMC/kTmEAA/MVfIAA/GSaulB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/