From sentto-44114-16385-1033673643-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Oct 03 12:43:21 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 03 Oct 2002 12:43:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.78]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 17xBsT-0003jp-00 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Thu, 03 Oct 2002 12:43:17 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-16385-1033673643-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.95] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Oct 2002 19:34:03 -0000 X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_1_1_4); 3 Oct 2002 19:34:02 -0000 Received: (qmail 86196 invoked from network); 3 Oct 2002 19:34:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Oct 2002 19:34:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r10.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.106) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Oct 2002 19:34:02 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id r.f7.2279d3a6 (3956) for ; Thu, 3 Oct 2002 15:33:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10509 From: pycyn@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: kaliputra MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 15:33:56 EDT Subject: [lojban] Re: a new kind of fundamentalism Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_f7.2279d3a6.2acdf5a4_boundary" X-archive-position: 1874 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: pycyn@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --part1_f7.2279d3a6.2acdf5a4_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/3/2002 10:31:18 AM Central Daylight Time, jcowan@reutershealth.com writes: << > I can say descriptively "And's translation of 'The People United' uses > ka'enai". Or I can say prescriptively, "And ought not to use ka'enai, > for the Lojban grammar does not allow it." > > This is really no different from the case of "'Different' is commonly > completed by 'than'" vs. "'Different than' is an obnoxious barbarism." >> But the obnoxious barbarism in English (which it is btw) still parses as English; it is just a cooccurrence difference. {ka'enai} does not parse in Lojban -- one of the joys of having a complete grammar. --part1_f7.2279d3a6.2acdf5a4_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/3/2002 10:31:18 AM Central Daylight Time, jcowan@reutershealth.com writes:

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I can say descriptively "And's translation of 'The People United' uses
ka'enai". Or I can say prescriptively, "And ought not to use ka'enai,
for the Lojban grammar does not allow it."

This is really no different from the case of "'Different' is commonly
completed by 'than'" vs. "'Different than' is an obnoxious barbarism."

>>
But the obnoxious barbarism in English (which it is btw) still parses as English; it is just a cooccurrence difference. {ka'enai} does not parse in Lojban -- one of the joys of having a complete grammar.

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