From sentto-44114-16443-1033848347-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Oct 05 13:09:54 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 05 Oct 2002 13:09:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.78]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 17xvFH-00088x-00 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Sat, 05 Oct 2002 13:09:51 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-16443-1033848347-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.198] by n22.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 Oct 2002 20:05:47 -0000 X-Sender: jcowan@reutershealth.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_0); 5 Oct 2002 20:05:47 -0000 Received: (qmail 32898 invoked from network); 5 Oct 2002 20:05:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Oct 2002 20:05:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail2.reutershealth.com) (65.246.141.151) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Oct 2002 20:05:46 -0000 Received: from skunk.reutershealth.com (IDENT:cowan@[10.65.117.21]) by mail2.reutershealth.com (Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA03105; Sat, 5 Oct 2002 16:16:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200210052016.QAA03105@mail2.reutershealth.com> Received: by skunk.reutershealth.com (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sat, 5 Oct 2002 16:04:34 -0400 To: lojbab@lojban.org (Robert LeChevalier) Cc: lojban@yahoogroups.com (lojban) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021005154636.0324bec0@pop.east.cox.net> from "Robert LeChevalier" at Oct 05, 2002 03:54:59 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL6] From: John Cowan X-Yahoo-Profile: john_w_cowan MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 16:04:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [lojban] Re: a new kind of fundamentalism Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 1932 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jcowan@reutershealth.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list Robert LeChevalier scripsit: > The advantage I see to the Elephant is that it records each issue in a > structured manner so someone can come along later and see whether anything > was resolved. (Now maybe my concept of the elephant is not everyone > else's, but that is what I would use it for). That is indeed what it was intended for. Not only can you find out *what* was decided, but what the alternatives considered were, and what the arguments pro and con each alternative were. Just as important, you can ignore whatever parts of this you wish. > That sounds like an informal version of the Elephant. But I would suggest > abiding by our non-standard distinction between "grammar" and > "semantics". Any discussion of semantics is not a "grammatical issue" - > the Lojban grammar is baselined and frozen and semantics discussions do not > affect that baseline. Some semantic distinctions are also frozen (you and I had this discussion a decade or more ago): the distinction between "mi" and "do", or between "pa" and "re", is semantic (it does not affect the YACC or BNF) but is quite frozen. -- Deshil Holles eamus. Deshil Holles eamus. Deshil Holles eamus. Send us, bright one, light one, Horhorn, quickening, and wombfruit. (3x) Hoopsa, boyaboy, hoopsa! Hoopsa, boyaboy, hoopsa! Hoopsa, boyaboy, hoopsa! -- Joyce, _Ulysses_, "Oxen of the Sun" jcowan@reutershealth.com ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Plan to Sell a Home? http://us.click.yahoo.com/J2SnNA/y.lEAA/MVfIAA/GSaulB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/