Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 04 Oct 2002 07:42:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.101]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 17xTeT-0001NR-00 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Fri, 04 Oct 2002 07:42:01 -0700 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-16414-1033742278-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.195] by n33.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 04 Oct 2002 14:37:59 -0000 X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_0); 4 Oct 2002 14:37:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 12017 invoked from network); 4 Oct 2002 14:37:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 4 Oct 2002 14:37:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r02.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.98) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Oct 2002 14:37:57 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id r.15a.1538a7b1 (4402) for ; Fri, 4 Oct 2002 10:37:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <15a.1538a7b1.2acf01b9@aol.com> To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 10509 From: pycyn@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: kaliputra MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 10:37:45 EDT Subject: [lojban] Re: preventing cartmanism (was: RE: Re: a new kind of fundamentalism Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_15a.1538a7b1.2acf01b9_boundary" X-archive-position: 1903 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: pycyn@aol.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list Content-Length: 3664 Lines: 71 --part1_15a.1538a7b1.2acf01b9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/4/2002 7:21:38 AM Central Daylight Time, a.rosta@lycos.co.uk writes: << > My view continues to be that the best > solution is to ghettoize (to different lists and different areas > of the wiki) the controversial activities of the various factions, > and reserve the common forums for uncontroversial things. Lojbab > seems to have come round to this view recently. >> Unfortunately, there is more than ample evidence that there are no uncontroversial things. I suppose this means that as soon as controversy arises (or reaches a fuzzy point of enough intensity) the combatants should shift to list -- presumably reporting back the conclusion -- if any -- to the original site. This would be simplified, by the way, if lojbanlist made the list the automatic recipient of replies, rather than the originator of the message replied to. Then, once thelist was shifted, there would be no excuse for slipping back to the general list accidentally. --part1_15a.1538a7b1.2acf01b9_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 10/4/2002 7:21:38 AM Central Daylight Time, a.rosta@lycos.co.uk writes:

<<

My view continues to be that the best
solution is to ghettoize (to different lists and different areas
of the wiki) the controversial activities of the various factions,
and reserve the common forums for uncontroversial things. Lojbab
seems to have come round to this view recently.

>>
Unfortunately, there is more than ample evidence that there are no uncontroversial things. I suppose this means that as soon as controversy arises (or reaches a fuzzy point of enough intensity) the combatants should shift to list -- presumably reporting back the conclusion -- if any -- to the original site.
This would be simplified, by the way, if lojbanlist made the list the automatic recipient of replies, rather than the originator of the message replied to. Then, once thelist was shifted, there would be no excuse for slipping back to the general list accidentally.

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