From a.rosta@lycos.co.uk Tue Oct 08 19:54:20 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_0); 9 Oct 2002 02:54:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 90897 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2002 02:54:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Oct 2002 02:54:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Oct 2002 02:54:19 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 17z738-0004gj-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 08 Oct 2002 19:58:14 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17z72U-0004gQ-00; Tue, 08 Oct 2002 19:57:34 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 08 Oct 2002 19:57:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailbox-12.st1.spray.net ([212.78.202.112]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 17z72Q-0004gB-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 08 Oct 2002 19:57:30 -0700 Received: from oemcomputer (host213-121-69-113.surfport24.v21.co.uk [213.121.69.113]) by mailbox-12.st1.spray.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D64405D64F for ; Wed, 9 Oct 2002 04:53:02 +0200 (DST) To: Subject: [lojban] Re: a new kind of fundamentalism Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 03:54:42 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20021009014709.GA47905@allusion.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-archive-position: 2018 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: a.rosta@lycos.co.uk Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: "And Rosta" Reply-To: a.rosta@lycos.co.uk X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=122260811 X-Yahoo-Profile: andjamin X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 16505 Jordan: > I mean that they *mean* the same things. "Semantic difference" as > you're thinking of it, sure. But "gleki leza'i broda" and ".ui > broda" *mean* the same thing in a real conversation (or at least > they would most of the time). You mean that even though the sentences have different truthconditional meaning, speakers will generally intend to communicate the same information when uttering them. Which is probably true. -- Some English examples would be "Wow! She's beautiful" and "I'm impressed at how beautiful she is". > Anyway this has all strayed quite far from the all-cmavo-can-be- > transormed-into-brivla claim of And's that it was all originally about. My claim was that *most* cmavo can be transformed into brivla. --And.