From lojban-out@lojban.org Thu Oct 17 14:37:58 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_2_1); 17 Oct 2002 21:37:55 -0000 Received: (qmail 42079 invoked from network); 17 Oct 2002 21:37:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m9.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 17 Oct 2002 21:37:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Oct 2002 21:37:23 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 182IPI-0000Di-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 14:42:16 -0700 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 182IOe-0000DN-00; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 14:41:36 -0700 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 17 Oct 2002 14:41:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.intrex.net ([209.42.192.250]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 182IOZ-0000DE-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 14:41:32 -0700 Received: from Craig [209.42.200.29] by smtp.intrex.net (SMTPD32-5.05) id AD5E60501C8; Thu, 17 Oct 2002 17:36:33 -0400 To: Subject: [lojban] Re: enlighten Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 17:36:33 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <3DAEDB47.8070102@bilkent.edu.tr> Importance: Normal X-Declude-Sender: raganok@intrex.net [209.42.200.29] X-archive-position: 2253 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: raganok@intrex.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: "Craig" From: "Craig" Reply-To: raganok@intrex.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 16735 >Using gusni would be unacceptable metaphor, I think. It may be the case >that most (maybe all?) cultures use the KNOWING IS SEEING metaphor, but I've been told that all IE cultures use this metaphor, while Afro-Asiatic cultures prefer HEARING IS KNOWING ("Hear, o Israel..."), while some cultures eschew metaphor entirely. (Se non e vero, e ben trovato).