From xod@thestonecutters.net Fri Nov 08 10:52:32 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 08 Nov 2002 10:52:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from [66.111.194.10] (helo=granite.thestonecutters.net) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18AEF2-0006Oh-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 08 Nov 2002 10:52:28 -0800 Received: from localhost (xod@localhost) by granite.thestonecutters.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gA8IqR936185 for ; Fri, 8 Nov 2002 13:52:27 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from xod@thestonecutters.net) Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2002 13:52:27 -0500 (EST) From: Invent Yourself To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Attempting to bring the ro debate to a resolution In-Reply-To: <200211081222.HAA29371@mail2.reutershealth.com> Message-ID: <20021108134254.O35332-100000@granite.thestonecutters.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 2542 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: xod@thestonecutters.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Fri, 8 Nov 2002, John Cowan wrote: > To me, (1) the unconditional form "Each globnik is spatulous" (ro > [da poi] broda cu brode) entails that there are globniks. It is a logical fallacy, as shown by the link Jordan posted. Also, if the existence of globniks is intermittent, uncertain, historical, hypothetical, or predicted, discussing their characteristics should not be taken as any promise that they actually exist at the time of the utterance. .i sa'e do'a la'e ro valsi cu sidbo je na'e dacti And that's a fallacy even the Great Ayer fell prey to! -- "In the Soviet Union, government controls industry. In the United States, industry controls government. That is the principal structural difference between the two great oligarchies of our time." -- Edward Abbey