From sentto-44114-17173-1037887686-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Nov 21 06:19:54 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 21 Nov 2002 06:19:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.73]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 18EsBL-0003d9-01 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 06:19:51 -0800 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-17173-1037887686-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.193] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Nov 2002 14:08:06 -0000 X-Sender: arosta@uclan.ac.uk X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 21 Nov 2002 14:08:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 13715 invoked from network); 21 Nov 2002 14:08:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 21 Nov 2002 14:08:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO com1.uclan.ac.uk) (193.61.255.3) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Nov 2002 14:08:05 -0000 Received: from gwise-gw1.uclan.ac.uk by com1.uclan.ac.uk with SMTP (Mailer); Thu, 21 Nov 2002 13:32:59 +0000 Received: from DI1-Message_Server by gwise-gw1.uclan.ac.uk with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:07:09 +0000 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.5.2 To: lojban From: And Rosta X-Yahoo-Profile: andjamin MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 14:06:36 +0000 Subject: [lojban] mi nanca li (was: Re: Newbie says hi Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 2656 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: arosta@uclan.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list pier: #> How can I say "I'm 18 years old." I didn't find an appropriate brivla. And #> expressing my birthdate seems unhandy. # #{mi nanca li 18}. This is an idiom; taken literally it refers to your whole #lifespan, which you haven't finished so you don't know ledu'u do nanca li #xo. Idioms are very mabla toljbo, and hence {mi nanca li 18} is too. We need a better way to say it, which generalizes to all measurements of duration: "The (linear) time from inception of x1 to (punctual) time x3 is x2 units in duration." This would generalize to, say, "At that time, I had been living in London for 8 months", as well as to "I am 18 years old". --And. To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/