From sentto-44114-17212-1038238912-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Nov 25 07:55:33 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 25 Nov 2002 07:55:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.80]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 18GLa5-0004ni-01 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 07:55:29 -0800 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-17212-1038238912-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.199] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Nov 2002 15:41:53 -0000 X-Sender: olivera@macs.biu.ac.il X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 25 Nov 2002 15:41:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 58158 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2002 15:41:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m6.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Nov 2002 15:41:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail2.cc.huji.ac.il) (132.64.1.18) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2002 15:41:52 -0000 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail2.cc.huji.ac.il (Postfix) with SMTP id B5D1140124; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 17:41:50 +0200 (IST) Received: from cc.huji.ac.il (cc.huji.ac.il [132.64.1.5]) by mail2.cc.huji.ac.il (Postfix) with ESMTP id 995C540119 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 17:41:50 +0200 (IST) Received: from avitallap (di8-652.dialin.huji.ac.il [132.64.15.152]) by cc.huji.ac.il (Postfix) with SMTP id 1ECE648F1 for ; Mon, 25 Nov 2002 17:41:50 +0200 (IST) Message-ID: <003801c294d2$f3559370$0300a8c0@avitallap> To: References: X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 From: "Avital Oliver" X-Yahoo-Profile: mivmai MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 17:35:25 -0500 Subject: [lojban] Re: Is .e == .ije? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1255 X-archive-position: 2698 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: olivera@macs.biu.ac.il Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list From: "Jorge Llambias" > > la avital cusku di'e > > >Is always equivelant to >SUMTI2 cu SELBRI>? > > If by SUMTI and SELBRI you mean the words, then no. At least > for slightly more complex sentences it certainly fails. For > example {lo prenu cu viska mi e do} means {ko'a goi lo prenu > zo'u tu'e ko'a viska mi ije ko'a viska do tu'u}, which is not > equivalent to {lo prenu viska mi ije lo prenu viska do}. > > >If so, then is equivelant to ? > > I'm not sure whether the connective or the selbri have scope > precedence. I would have said the selbri a while ago, but > apparently only {na} of the selbri is supposed to have widest > scope. The rules are not clear. If it is just order of > appearance, then they are equivalent. > > >If so, how would I say, "What did we both do? (not neccisarily as a mass)"? > > You could say {mo mi e do}. In this case {mo} surely must > have precedence, and it must expand to something like > {mo mi ije go'i do}. Actually, it would be {mo fi mi e do}. Other than that I like your solution. To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/