From pycyn@aol.com Wed Nov 06 01:43:07 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: Pycyn@aol.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 6 Nov 2002 09:43:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 60196 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2002 09:43:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Nov 2002 09:43:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-r08.mx.aol.com) (152.163.225.104) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2002 09:43:06 -0000 Received: from Pycyn@aol.com by imo-r08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v34.13.) id r.cd.1fedd5d7 (25098) for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2002 04:43:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2002 04:42:59 EST Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: What the heck is this crap? To: lojban@yahoogroups.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_cd.1fedd5d7.2afa3e23_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 8.0 for Windows US sub 230 From: pycyn@aol.com X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=2455001 X-Yahoo-Profile: kaliputra X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 16939 --part1_cd.1fedd5d7.2afa3e23_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/5/2002 6:12:23 PM Central Standard Time, lojban-out@lojban.org writes: << > >>ro bangu cu selfi'i zo'e = ro da poi bangu; su'o de zo'u: da > >>selfinti de(This is read as there being a possibly distinct de for > >>each da) > >> > >>zo'e finti ro bangu = su'o de; ro da poi bangu zo'u: de finti da > >>(This is read as there being at least one de inventing all da) > > I still say that I don't know why "possibly distinct de for each da" != > "at least one de inventing all da". >> Well, the English is a bit murky, but the Lojban (after the equation of {zo'e} with {su'o da}, which does not look right at all) is clear. The first is true if each language has an inventor, even if it is a different one each time. The second is true if there is one person (or group of people, perhaps) who invented (together, if a group) every single language. --part1_cd.1fedd5d7.2afa3e23_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/5/2002 6:12:23 PM Central Standard Time, lojban-out@lojban.org writes:
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>>ro bangu cu selfi'i zo'e = ro da poi bangu; su'o de zo'u: da
>>selfinti de(This is read as there being a possibly distinct de for
>>each da)
>>
>>zo'e finti ro bangu = su'o de; ro da poi bangu zo'u: de finti da
>>(This is read as there being at least one de inventing all da)

I still say that I don't know why "possibly distinct de for each da" !=
"at least one de inventing all da".

>>
Well, the English is a bit murky, but the Lojban (after the equation of {zo'e} with {su'o da}, which does not look right at all) is clear.  The first is true if each language has an inventor, even if it is a different one each time.  The second is true if there is one person (or group of people, perhaps) who invented (together, if a group) every single language. --part1_cd.1fedd5d7.2afa3e23_boundary--