From sentto-44114-17319-1038721687-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Nov 30 21:48:44 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 30 Nov 2002 21:48:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.80]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 18IMy6-0000IY-01 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Sat, 30 Nov 2002 21:48:38 -0800 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-17319-1038721687-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.192] by n24.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2002 05:48:07 -0000 X-Sender: phma@ixazon.dynip.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 1 Dec 2002 05:48:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 30886 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2002 05:48:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2002 05:48:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO neofelis.ixazon.lan) (208.150.110.21) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2002 05:48:05 -0000 Received: by neofelis.ixazon.lan (Postfix, from userid 500) id 210EC3C47F; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 00:48:01 -0500 (EST) To: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <20021130143249.K47281-100000@granite.thestonecutters.net> <5.1.0.14.0.20021130224944.0334bec0@pop.east.cox.net> In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20021130224944.0334bec0@pop.east.cox.net> X-Spamtrap: fesmri@ixazon.dynip.com Message-Id: <0212010047580X.02982@neofelis> From: Pierre Abbat MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 00:47:57 -0500 Subject: [lojban] Re: Official Statement- LLG Board approves new baseline policy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 2806 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@webjockey.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Saturday 30 November 2002 23:14, Logical Language Group, Inc. wrote: > At 07:31 PM 11/30/02 -0600, Steven Belknap wrote: > >The toggle cmavo is not documented in Loglan, to my knowledge. So it > >"exists" only in lojban. > > It does not officially exist in Lojban either, documented or undocumented, > since it would be a change to the baseline. The byfy could add it, and I > suggested this as the sort of thing that the byfy might indeed consider. li'o > I don't think that anything has been done to explicitly alienate the TLI > community, and much that is not reportable has gone on behind the scenes > towards the contrary. But legally, we can do nothing with JCB's language > without explicit permission from TLI; I remain under a threat from their > lawyer merely because I prepared a list of corresponding cmavo from the two > versions with the intent of putting that list in an appendix to the > dictionary. I believe that the current TLI management would not pursue > that hostile approach to us, but we are extremely constrained between the > community's commitment to the Lojban baseline and the copyright claims > dispute that originally engendered Lojban. Adding {xo'a ... hoa} to the grammar would require adding the entire Loglan grammar to the Lojban one, and more besides, since the toggle could occur in a variety of places in a sentence and we would have to figure out what happens to grouping rules, terminators, etc. when switching languages in the middle of a tanru. If we can't even publish a list of corresponding cmavo, there's no way we can add {xo'a}. phma To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/