From sentto-44114-17332-1038770706-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Dec 01 11:25:44 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 01 Dec 2002 11:25:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.75]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 18IZij-0007KT-01 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Sun, 01 Dec 2002 11:25:37 -0800 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-17332-1038770706-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.96] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 01 Dec 2002 19:25:07 -0000 X-Sender: phma@ixazon.dynip.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 1 Dec 2002 19:25:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 2851 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2002 19:25:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m13.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 1 Dec 2002 19:25:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO neofelis.ixazon.lan) (208.150.110.21) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Dec 2002 19:25:02 -0000 Received: by neofelis.ixazon.lan (Postfix, from userid 500) id F1D563C5DF; Sun, 1 Dec 2002 14:24:57 -0500 (EST) To: X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: In-Reply-To: X-Spamtrap: fesmri@ixazon.dynip.com Message-Id: <02120114245304.24805@neofelis> From: Pierre Abbat MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 14:24:52 -0500 Subject: [lojban] Re: xo'a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 2819 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@webjockey.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Sunday 01 December 2002 14:08, And Rosta wrote: > pier: > > Adding {xo'a ... hoa} to the grammar would require adding the entire > > Loglan grammar to the Lojban one, and more besides, since the toggle > > could occur in a variety of places in a sentence and we would have to > > figure out what happens to grouping rules, terminators, etc. when > > switching languages in the middle of a tanru. If we can't even publish a > > list of corresponding cmavo, there's no way we can add {xo'a} > > i had assumed that the parser would simply switch off when it hits xo'a > and switch on again when it hits hoa. Was that assumption wrong? How would you handle the following?: .i la djig. cusku lu doi talen xo'a nu jimta lu .i le vi po jimta hoa pu spaji la talen. The languages are close enough that you can intermix them, but different enough that this causes problems. A Romance example (since I know very little Loglan): Ele enviou-me uma mensagem, que j'ai lue. Should the last word be "lu"? The word "message" is masculine in French. mu'omi'e pier. To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/