From sentto-44114-17620-1039167813-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Dec 06 01:50:58 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 06 Dec 2002 01:50:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.75]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 18KF8I-00083o-01 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Fri, 06 Dec 2002 01:50:54 -0800 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-17620-1039167813-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.196] by n2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 Dec 2002 09:43:33 -0000 X-Sender: opoudjis@optushome.com.au X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 6 Dec 2002 09:43:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 70523 invoked from network); 6 Dec 2002 09:43:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 6 Dec 2002 09:43:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail013.syd.optusnet.com.au) (210.49.20.171) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Dec 2002 09:43:32 -0000 Received: from optushome.com.au (c17180.brasd1.vic.optusnet.com.au [210.49.155.40]) by mail013.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.11.1/8.11.1) with ESMTP id gB69hVN20744 for ; Fri, 6 Dec 2002 20:43:31 +1100 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Message-Id: <2DE1036E-08FF-11D7-9FC7-003065D4EC72@optushome.com.au> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.548) From: Nick Nicholas X-Yahoo-Profile: opoudjis MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 20:43:31 +1100 Subject: [lojban] Official Tengwar! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 3130 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: opoudjis@optushome.com.au Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 13:15:57 -0500 From: Robert LeChevalier Subject: Re: Baseline statement > At 04:22 AM 12/5/02 -0800, Theodore Reed wrote: >> Which Tengwar orthography? I recall there being like 5 different >> versions, three of which are elrond's. When I made the LojbanTengwar >> yudit input mode (available if anyone wants it), I used one of >> elrond's >> with a few minor mods. > > The one in CLL is the officially baselined non-standard %^) Which means Raymond, of course. OK, I admit this is a wholly frivolous thing to bring up (in either sense); but if anyone is going to have the nerve to say "Elrond's schemes are illicit, because CLL gives Raymond's", then we either say "CLL can't be official about stuff it describes as unofficial, please get a grip" --- or we pass an addendum into the CLL at that point, saying "there are other Tengwar schemes out there, by people actually still with us as opposed to blogging about the right for infants to bear arms" :-) . Note that backward compatibility was mostly retained with Raymond's scheme in the consonants. At least, mostly. And I think they are all mutually intelligible. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++ Nick Nicholas. The Nonce and Future Henry Squirrel was thirsty. He Linguist. University of Melbourne. walked over to the river bank nickn@unimelb.edu.au where his good friend Bill Bird http://www.lexicon.net.au/~opoudjis was sitting. Henry slipped and fell in the river. Gravity drowned. --- TALE-SPIN Story Generator, James Meehan, Yale AI Lab, 1975. To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/