From sentto-44114-17753-1039312637-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sat Dec 07 17:57:51 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 07 Dec 2002 17:57:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.73]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 18KqhY-0002oR-01 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 17:57:48 -0800 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-17753-1039312637-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.192] by n18.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 08 Dec 2002 01:57:17 -0000 X-Sender: sbelknap@uic.edu X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 8 Dec 2002 01:57:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 43334 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2002 01:57:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 8 Dec 2002 01:57:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO larch.cc.uic.edu) (128.248.155.164) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Dec 2002 01:57:16 -0000 Received: (qmail 23354 invoked from network); 8 Dec 2002 01:57:14 -0000 Received: from webmail.cc.uic.edu (HELO webmail.uic.edu) (128.248.121.50) by larch.cc.uic.edu with SMTP; 8 Dec 2002 01:57:14 -0000 X-WebMail-UserID: sbelknap@uic.edu To: Robert LeChevalier Cc: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-EXP32-SerialNo: 50000146 Message-ID: <3DFF06C3@webmail.uic.edu> X-Mailer: InterChange (Hydra) SMTP v3.62 From: sbelknap MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 19:56:35 -0600 Subject: [lojban] nelci Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 3263 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: sbelknap@UIC.EDU Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list I just had an interesting conversation with my son, who is five. We were talking about . Quite often, when I ask him if he likes X, he says no, even though he has never tasted X. I then complain that he has never tasted X, so how can he say he doesn't like it? As we discussed , I finally saw the logic of his point-of-view, which as any Loglander or lojbanistani knows has to do with the fussiness of negation. My son only likes things he has tasted and "doesn't like" anything he hasn't tasted. I either like or don't like things I've tasted, and don't know about things I haven't tasted. When we discussed what means, we both realized that we had been miscommunicating in English. He is using a different negation scheme than I am. I tried to explain lojban negation to him, but I soon realized that I do not have a firm grasp on this myself, so I'm going to have to reread what John had to say about negation. As I recall, the grammar is quite lucid on this topic. My two year old daughter says "no" a lot. Now, I wonder what exactly she means! -co'o mi'e la stivn To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/