From lojban-out@lojban.org Sat Dec 07 13:24:53 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 7 Dec 2002 21:24:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 15945 invoked from network); 7 Dec 2002 21:24:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Dec 2002 21:24:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Dec 2002 21:24:52 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 18KmRQ-0008NE-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 13:24:52 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18KmRO-0008Mv-00; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 13:24:50 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sat, 07 Dec 2002 13:24:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.intrex.net ([209.42.192.250]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18KmRJ-0008Mh-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 13:24:45 -0800 Received: from Craig [209.42.200.12] by smtp.intrex.net (SMTPD32-5.05) id A7222D70022; Sat, 07 Dec 2002 16:24:50 -0500 To: Subject: [lojban] Re: Aesthetics Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 16:24:41 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20021207155437.I91480-100000@granite.thestonecutters.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-Declude-Sender: raganok@intrex.net [209.42.200.12] X-Note: Total weight is 0. Whitelisted X-archive-position: 3248 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: raganok@intrex.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list X-eGroups-From: "Craig" From: "Craig" Reply-To: raganok@intrex.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=116389790 X-Yahoo-Profile: lojban_out X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 17716 >> Are we agreed that if you can actually say it, the lateral pronunciation >> would be more distinct? >No. I hear that Welsh ll as closer to thorn and s than h is to [x], when >[x] is done with gusto. Ok, then. The optimal pronunciation of ' varies from person to person, and the orthography should not be designed to reflect one when another is equally valid and preferred by some people. Stick to the normal grapheme, please.