From sentto-44114-18033-1039831324-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Dec 13 18:02:49 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 13 Dec 2002 18:02:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.74]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 18N1dY-0001kr-01 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 18:02:40 -0800 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-18033-1039831324-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.192] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Dec 2002 02:02:04 -0000 X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 14 Dec 2002 02:02:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 27324 invoked from network); 14 Dec 2002 02:02:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 14 Dec 2002 02:02:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.240.133) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Dec 2002 02:02:03 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 13 Dec 2002 18:02:03 -0800 Received: from 200.69.2.52 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 14 Dec 2002 02:02:03 GMT To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Dec 2002 02:02:03.0482 (UTC) FILETIME=[CBDE6BA0:01C2A314] From: "Jorge Llambias" X-Originating-IP: [200.69.2.52] X-Yahoo-Profile: jjllambias2000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 02:02:03 +0000 Subject: [lojban] Re: Word resolution algorithm so far Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 3544 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list Lee Daniel Crocker: >But then we couldn't transliterate a Texas accent, where "yu" >is the standard pronunciation of "o", or parts of New York >where "yi" is the local version of "oi". No, but we are not supposed to be able to transliterate every accent of every language into Lojban. Craig: >I pronounce "maiky'elsem" as [majk@helsem] because that's how it was >intended to be said. Similarly, Hawai'ian has [r] and [l] as free >allophones >of /l/, though most people use [l]. Yet in borrowed words, you hear more r >sounds when that fits the original sound, such as [?arani] for /'alani/ >"orange". If that is the case, then /r/ and /l/ are on their way to not being free allophones anymore. I wouldn't expect the various pronunciations of "'" to be realized by the same speaker, and certainly not in fixed selected words. That would make them different phonemes for that speaker, wouldn't it? Jordan DeLong: >Why not "timosis"? s sounds closer to th than t. That's certainly possible. My preference is simply because that's what Spanish would do (compare with Spanish "Timoteo"), but "timosis" works in Lojban too. mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/