From sentto-44114-17852-1039475621-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Dec 09 18:35:25 2002 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 09 Dec 2002 18:35:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.87]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 18LaEy-0006HL-01 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Mon, 09 Dec 2002 18:35:20 -0800 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-17852-1039475621-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.98] by n30.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Dec 2002 23:13:42 -0000 X-Sender: a.rosta@lycos.co.uk X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 9 Dec 2002 23:13:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 83848 invoked from network); 9 Dec 2002 23:13:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m15.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 9 Dec 2002 23:13:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lmsmtp05.st1.spray.net) (212.78.202.115) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Dec 2002 23:13:41 -0000 Received: from oemcomputer (host81-7-61-162.surfport24.v21.co.uk [81.7.61.162]) by lmsmtp05.st1.spray.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7F431FB3C for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 00:13:39 +0100 (MET) To: Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal From: "And Rosta" X-Yahoo-Profile: andjamin MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 23:13:38 -0000 Subject: [lojban] Re: g/k (was: RE: Re: More stuff Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 3376 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: a.rosta@lycos.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list Craig: > Huh. English is my native language, and I pronounce /p t k/ as [ph th kh] > prevocallically and [p t k] elsewhere; my /b d g/ is always [b d g] There is a lot of variation between accents, of course, and I have not had the chance to study American ones properly. Textbooks report the 'typical' English pronunciation as /p t k/ aspirated prevocalically and unaspirated postvocalically and /b d g/ as unvoiced, the contrast postvocalically being signalled by vowel duration. Maybe those descriptions have a British bias. I can think of lots of accents that vary in certain respects (but I won't go into details), though in my mind's ear I can't recognize the one you report. --And. To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/