From xod@thestonecutters.net Tue Dec 10 07:54:15 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 10 Dec 2002 15:54:14 -0000 Received: (qmail 32898 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2002 15:54:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 10 Dec 2002 15:54:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Dec 2002 15:54:14 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 18Lmi6-00086A-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 07:54:14 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18Lmhy-00085j-00; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 07:54:06 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 10 Dec 2002 07:54:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from [66.111.194.10] (helo=granite.thestonecutters.net) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18Lmht-00085S-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 07:54:01 -0800 Received: from localhost (xod@localhost) by granite.thestonecutters.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id gBAFrWs06833 for ; Tue, 10 Dec 2002 10:53:32 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from xod@thestonecutters.net) Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 10:53:32 -0500 (EST) To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: [h] (was: RE: Re: Aesthetics In-Reply-To: <200212101519.KAA29715@mail2.reutershealth.com> Message-ID: <20021210105144.Y6796-100000@granite.thestonecutters.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 3399 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: xod@thestonecutters.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: Invent Yourself Reply-To: xod@thestonecutters.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=110189215 X-Yahoo-Profile: throwing_back_the_apple X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 17870 yOn Tue, 10 Dec 2002, John Cowan wrote: > Invent Yourself scripsit: > > > Indeed. I can go "ihihi" without moving anything at all! For the "i" I > > voice, and for the "h" I devoice and increase the aspiration. > > In that case you are doing what I am doing: using [C], IPA c-cedilla, > as the realization of /h/. Perfectly legitimate thing to do, but > not the same as IPA [h], which is realized in the back of the throat. > Your /h/ in u'u is probably a lot closer to [h]. OK, I get it now. But since [C] is a possible replacement for [h] in some circumstances, in English, I've been subbing it in for .y'y at will, and not even noticing it! -- Sphinx of black quartz, judge my vow.