From sbelknap@UIC.EDU Wed Dec 11 13:07:34 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 11 Dec 2002 21:07:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 59815 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2002 21:07:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m4.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 11 Dec 2002 21:07:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Dec 2002 21:07:34 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 18ME4r-0002lg-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:07:33 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18ME4i-0002lK-00; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:07:24 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:07:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from larch.cc.uic.edu ([128.248.155.164]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 18ME4b-0002l1-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 11 Dec 2002 13:07:17 -0800 Received: (qmail 10278 invoked from network); 11 Dec 2002 21:07:10 -0000 Received: from cis5044.uicomp.uic.edu (HELO uic.edu) (128.248.250.44) by larch.cc.uic.edu with SMTP; 11 Dec 2002 21:07:10 -0000 Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 15:06:50 -0600 Subject: [lojban] Re: the ethics of the HTML content meta tag Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v548) Cc: lojban-list@lojban.org To: jkominek@miranda.org In-Reply-To: <20021211200520.GI21098@miranda.org> Message-Id: <77724A7B-0D4C-11D7-8D13-000393629ED4@uic.edu> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.548) X-archive-position: 3462 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: sbelknap@uic.edu Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: Steven Belknap Reply-To: sbelknap@uic.edu X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=810567 X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 17936 On Wednesday, December 11, 2002, at 02:05 PM, Jay F Kominek wrote: > On Wed, Dec 11, 2002 at 11:57:06AM -0800, Robin Lee Powell wrote: >> On Tue, Dec 10, 2002 at 02:25:39PM -0500, Robert LeChevalier wrote: >>> At 10:54 AM 12/10/02 -0800, Robin Lee Powell wrote: >>>>> The previous lojban web site had a link to Loglan. For reasons >>>>> that elude me, you changed this to conform to your own >>>>> point-of-view. >>>> >>>> What are you *talking* about? >>>> >>>> Here is an exact mirror of the old site: >>>> >>>> http://www.digitalkingdom.org/www.lojban.org.old/ >>>> >>>> Please show me where there are links to loglan. >>> >>> The only thing I can see is the intro paragraph, which you did >>> change, >>> But I think for other reasons than those which Steven imputes. >> >> That is not a link, for the record. And Jay actually re-wrote the >> front >> page, although he shouldn't be blamed for any mistakes, as it's my >> site. > > I intentionally omitted any reference to Loglan when I wrote the text, > and I continue to stand by that omission. The lojban.org web site was not the place to unilaterally have made whatever point you were making. This issue was discussed on the listserv a number of years ago, and as a result of this discussion links to loglan.org were added. If you disagreed with the mention of Loglan on the web site and with the links to loglan.org, the proper approach would have been to discuss your concerns either privately with lojbab and robin, or to bring the issue to the listserv. I was very disappointed when I noticed that the TLI Loglan references were gone, but I decided to let the matter go for a time, due to the recent death of JCB. But when I saw that the LLG Loglan baseline policy omitted any mention of TLI Loglan, I became very concerned. I realize that perhaps you (and others) don't really care about the history of Loglan and believe that my concerns about this issue are foolish. I certainly agree that that Loglan is dead, and I gave up on TLI Loglan long ago. But then, what's the use of trying to explain. Nao, buo no, levi vizgoi ga duodja lopo lentaa la Loglan. -Steven