From sentto-44114-18176-1041534435-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Thu Jan 02 11:07:51 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 02 Jan 2003 11:07:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.89]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 18UAh0-0002Va-01 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Thu, 02 Jan 2003 11:07:46 -0800 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-18176-1041534435-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.192] by n5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2003 19:07:16 -0000 X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 2 Jan 2003 19:07:15 -0000 Received: (qmail 10880 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2003 19:07:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m10.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2003 19:07:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.194) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2003 19:07:15 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 11:07:15 -0800 Received: from 200.49.74.2 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 02 Jan 2003 19:07:14 GMT To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jan 2003 19:07:15.0070 (UTC) FILETIME=[297B21E0:01C2B292] From: "Jorge Llambias" X-Originating-IP: [200.49.74.2] X-Yahoo-Profile: jjllambias2000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 19:07:14 +0000 Subject: [lojban] Re: I am the man who wrote you a letter Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 3688 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list la filip cusku di'e >Is gi'e more like noi or more like poi? Both. :) The difference is clear when the quantifier is {ro}: 1- ro cipni ku poi blabi cu vofli = ro da poi cipni gi'e blabi cu vofli = ro da zo'u genai da cipni gi'e blabi gi da vofli 2- ro cipni ku noi blabi cu vofli = ro da poi cipni cu blabi gi'e vofli = ro da zo'u genai da cipni gi da blabi gi'e vofli So both {poi} and {noi} end up as gi'e, but with different selbri: {noi} with the main selbri and {poi} with the selbri inside the sumti. If the quantifier is su'o, the difference between {noi} and {poi} vanishes: su'o cipni ku poi blabi cu vofli = su'o da poi cipni gi'e blabi cu vofli = su'o da zo'u ge da cipni gi'e blabi gi da vofli = su'o da zo'u de da cipni gi da blabi gi'e vofli = su'o da poi cipni cu blabi gi'e vofli = su'o cipni ku noi blabi cu vofli >What about indefinite references, though? That is, "I am *a* man who wrote >a >letter to you? mi du lo nanmu ku poi te xatra do = mi du lo nanmu ku noi te xatra do = mi nanmu gi'e te xatra do mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/