From sentto-44114-18371-1043426804-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Fri Jan 24 08:47:47 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 24 Jan 2003 08:47:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.69]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.05) id 18c6zV-0003xE-00 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 08:47:41 -0800 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-18371-1043426804-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.196] by n14.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Jan 2003 16:46:44 -0000 X-Sender: a.rosta@lycos.co.uk X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 24 Jan 2003 16:46:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 43064 invoked from network); 24 Jan 2003 16:46:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 24 Jan 2003 16:46:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lmsmtp03.st1.spray.net) (212.78.202.113) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jan 2003 16:46:43 -0000 Received: from oemcomputer (host213-121-66-123.surfport24.v21.co.uk [213.121.66.123]) by lmsmtp03.st1.spray.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A7113CF28 for ; Fri, 24 Jan 2003 17:46:41 +0100 (MET) To: Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20030124073902.03412760@pop.east.cox.net> From: "And Rosta" X-Yahoo-Profile: andjamin MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 16:46:41 -0000 Subject: [lojban] Re: za'e "postnex" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 3884 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: a.rosta@lycos.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list Lojbab: > At 01:33 PM 1/23/03 +0000, you wrote: > > > >Not in Standard Lojban > > > > > > You just need to be creative > > > > > > [text] .i ro ibu zo'u go'i/la'edi'u > > > or > > > [text with no .i on the end] vau to ro ibu zo'u > > > >Both are elegant but in different ways (which could be discussed on > >Jboske) they both require glorking to get from what they actually say > >to the intended meaning, whereas ordinary prenexes don't > > It may require some conventions (grammatical scope being undefined for > afterthought structures). But predefined conventions are good, even when > unofficial, in that they eliminate the need to glork from context. (this > is not to say that >I< will always approve of them) Unofficial conventions that conflict with official ones must not be countenanced except as part of an intentionally nonstandard dialect. The official interpretation of your examples is known, and should not be subverted by unofficial conventions. The place for establishing unofficial conventions in in the experimental cmavo, such as zo'au. --And. To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/