From phma@webjockey.net Thu Jan 02 15:46:38 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_0); 2 Jan 2003 23:46:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 32867 invoked from network); 2 Jan 2003 23:46:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Jan 2003 23:46:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Jan 2003 23:46:37 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.05) id 18UF2r-000833-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Thu, 02 Jan 2003 15:46:37 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18UF2j-00082k-00; Thu, 02 Jan 2003 15:46:29 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Thu, 02 Jan 2003 15:46:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from 208-150-110-21-adsl.precisionet.net ([208.150.110.21] helo=blackcat.ixazon.lan) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.05) id 18UF2e-00082b-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 02 Jan 2003 15:46:24 -0800 Received: by blackcat.ixazon.lan (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 4585D2A4D; Thu, 2 Jan 2003 23:45:52 +0000 (UTC) Organization: dis To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Can a fu'ivla begin with five or more consonants? Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 18:45:51 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200301021845.51935.phma@webjockey.net> X-archive-position: 3690 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@webjockey.net Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: Pierre Abbat Reply-To: phma@webjockey.net X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=92712300 X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 18156 The Book states that a brivla cannot begin with more than two consonants or have a cluster of more than three consonants. The latter does not apply to fu'ivla, so I am wondering about the former as well. It is possible to make arbitrarily long strings of consonants consisting entirely of initial pairs by repeating "stct" or "zdjd". It is also possible to make a string of five consonants all of whose pairs are initial, so I came up with a pair of strings. Is {stcmlatu} a word, or is {lestcmlatu} a word? phma