From sentto-44114-18641-1046251249-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Wed Feb 26 01:21:34 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 26 Feb 2003 01:21:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.86]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 18nxkm-0008DB-00 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Wed, 26 Feb 2003 01:21:28 -0800 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-18641-1046251249-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.194] by n3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb 2003 09:20:52 -0000 X-Sender: skorgu@vr00m.net X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_4); 26 Feb 2003 09:20:49 -0000 Received: (qmail 63713 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2003 09:20:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m12.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 26 Feb 2003 09:20:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com) (66.218.66.81) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2003 09:20:48 -0000 Received: from [66.218.67.165] by n25.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Feb 2003 09:20:48 -0000 To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster From: "skorgu " X-Originating-IP: 64.152.164.61 X-Yahoo-Profile: skorgu MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 09:20:48 -0000 Subject: [lojban] Epiphany Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 4153 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: skorgu@vr00m.net" skorgu@vr00m.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list Hi, you don't know me and this is only peripherally, but keep reading anyway. My name is Patrick and I'm a newcomer to lojban. As such, I really don't have a comprehensive grasp of the language but I think I understand most of the fundamental concepts of the language. What excites me most about it is the ability to unambiguously state relationships and the implications of those relationships. Clearly this is important in conversation, but it is even more important in relating to computers. Bear with me, I know this has been said but its going somewhere. Basically, while I was browsing around randomly, I stumbled across something called DAML+OIL which is essentially an effort to create a gigantic relationship-table. Using it you can recreate some or all of the possible relationships in the human experience. Already I was thinking of its application to lojban, after all what better way to bridge the human computer gap than if both sides are unambiguous. Then I read about N3. N3 is an alternative formulation of DAML+OIL, and six lines into the introduction to it (http://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/Primer.html) my jaw fell clean out of my skull. The formulation is identical to lojban, if its grammar is simplified. It uses selbri and sumti, and just calls bridi triplets. I highly suggest that anyone interested in machine-human interfaces read the DAML+OIL documents (http://www.cs.umd.edu/users/hendler/sciam/walkthru.html) and especially the N3 pages. This is very exciting to me. I can clearly envision a simple correspondance table linking various DAML identities to their lojban counterparts. In short, I think this is how true human computer interfaces could be designed. Why bother parsing a natural language and guessing when you can be precise? I hope someone reads this and can take the next step: fiddling with the DAML/N3 namespaces and seeing how close they really are to lojban, then making the two talk (so much easier said than done) --Patrick To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/