From gordon.dyke@bluewin.ch Fri Feb 28 05:32:42 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: lojban-out@lojban.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_4); 28 Feb 2003 13:32:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 23726 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2003 13:32:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.218) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 28 Feb 2003 13:32:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO digitalkingdom.org) (204.152.186.175) by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2003 13:32:41 -0000 Received: from lojban-out by digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.12) id 18okcz-0002xE-00 for lojban@yahoogroups.com; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 05:32:41 -0800 Received: from digitalkingdom.org ([204.152.186.175] helo=chain) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18okcp-0002wl-00; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 05:32:31 -0800 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 28 Feb 2003 05:32:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail2.bluewin.ch ([195.186.4.73]) by digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 18okcf-0002wW-00 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 05:32:22 -0800 Received: from oemcomputer (62.202.157.102) by mail2.bluewin.ch (Bluewin AG 6.7.015) id 3E1029A2005ABD74 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 28 Feb 2003 13:32:16 +0000 Message-ID: <008501c2df2d$a69992c0$669dca3e@oemcomputer> To: References: Subject: [lojban] Re: Any (was: Nick will be with you shortly) Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 14:31:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-archive-position: 4213 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: gordon.dyke@bluewin.ch Precedence: bulk X-list: lojban-list From: "G. Dyke" Reply-To: gordon.dyke@bluewin.ch X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=81437350 X-Yahoo-Profile: gregvdyke X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 18679 cu'u la kreig > mi nitcu da. Let's start with that. Do you at least agree that there isn't a > specific thing which I mean that I need? > Okay, good. Now onto da poi mikce. That means that the da must be a doctor, > but ads no further restrictions. > Now onto lo. mi nitcu lo mikce = mi nitcu da poi mikce. We already agreed on > that one. > Therefore, I am expressing Any with this usage. QED. I'm not sure that {mi klama lo mikce} == {mi klama da poi mikce} (I use klama so that we're not messing about with subordinate sentences) I'd say that if {roda poi mikce zo'u mi klama su'o da} is different from {da poi mikce zo'u mi klama da} then the first is what we want, otherwise, both are equivalent to "mi klama lo mikce" and I'd say that was the solution. I'm not sure what this "Any" means. How does Edoctor(x)(need(me,x)) differ from "I need any doctor"? Greg