From sentto-44114-18751-1046650843-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Sun Mar 02 16:21:36 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Sun, 02 Mar 2003 16:21:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.74]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 18pdhj-0001Or-01 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Sun, 02 Mar 2003 16:21:15 -0800 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-18751-1046650843-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.67.198] by n19.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Mar 2003 00:20:44 -0000 X-Sender: a.rosta@lycos.co.uk X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_3_4); 3 Mar 2003 00:20:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 4661 invoked from network); 2 Mar 2003 23:38:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 2 Mar 2003 23:38:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lmsmtp02.st1.spray.net) (212.78.202.112) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Mar 2003 23:38:51 -0000 Received: from oemcomputer (host81-7-60-134.surfport24.v21.co.uk [81.7.60.134]) by lmsmtp02.st1.spray.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FB815C256 for ; Mon, 3 Mar 2003 00:38:38 +0100 (MET) To: "Lojban@Yahoogroups. Com" Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 From: "And Rosta" X-Yahoo-Profile: andjamin MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 23:38:36 -0000 Subject: [lojban] The Any thread Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252 X-archive-position: 4269 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: a.rosta@lycos.co.uk Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list It seems to me (tho I might be mistaken), that the disagreement arises from different interpretations of "I need any doctor", which, after all, is not a fully normal English sentence. On xod & Craig's side, it is certainly true that "mi nitcu lo mikce" is true if, for any doctor, I need them, and "mi viska lo mlatu" is true if, for any cat, I see it. But "I need any doctor" is being used by Robin & Jordan (and Nick) to paraphrase a different meaning, one equivalent to 1. I need there to be a lojban dictionary whereas "mi nitcu lo lojbo valsi cukta" means 2. There is a lojban dictionary that I need (there to be) -- plainly these two sentences have different truth conditions. So instead of arguing whether "lo" means "any" (my Expert Opinion is that the answer is 25% Yes and 75% No!), I would ask Craig & xod to try to translate "I need a lojban dictionary" into Lojban, given that the normal reading of that sentence is equivalent to 1 and not to 2. --And. To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/