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From: Jordan DeLong <fracture@allusion.net>
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Subject: [lojban] Re: The Any thread
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On Mon, Mar 03, 2003 at 11:26:18PM -0500, Invent Yourself wrote:
> On Mon, 3 Mar 2003, Jordan DeLong wrote:
>=20
> > On Mon, Mar 03, 2003 at 11:09:38PM -0500, Invent Yourself wrote:
> > > On Mon, 3 Mar 2003, Craig wrote:
> > [...]
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jboske/message/1087 (14 dec 2002)
> > >
> > > me:
> > > > It doesn't require it, but it doesn't forbid it either, and da is o=
ften
> > > > used to refer to specific entities that the speaker has in mind, an=
d of
> > > > which the speaker wants to assert the existence, and wants to assig=
n a
> > > > variable.
> > >
> > > Jordan:
> > > This is what is confusing you: You *can't* use da to refer to somethi=
ng
> > > specific.
> >
> > You think 'specific' means something else.  Read the other message
> > I sent about that (in the subthread with rlp).
>=20
> What's the yahoo message number? Otherwise I'll never be able to locate
> it.

Then how am I supposed to find it?  And, btw, I don't stand when
you post yahoo message numbers, because it's such a pain in the ass
to look them up (so I usually don't).

> > You can use 'da' to refer to something which you "have in mind",
> > or know the identity of.  But the reference is a nonspecific
> > reference.  It simply asserts the existence of some individual.
>=20
> >
> > "You can't use da to refer to something specifically" is a better
> > way to put it.
>=20
> OK, so you're back to da meaning anything. It can't be both ways! I said
> "in mind", and you said no. I say "not in mind" and you still argue.

da doesn't mean "anything".  It means "something".  There's a *huge*
difference.

Let's ignore "in mind".  It's a paraphrase which is confusing.

--=20
Jordan DeLong - fracture@allusion.net
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