From sentto-44114-19110-1048560148-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Mon Mar 24 18:43:06 2003 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 24 Mar 2003 18:43:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com ([66.218.66.102]) by digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 18xeOy-0006dl-01 for lojban-in@lojban.org; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 18:43:00 -0800 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-44114-19110-1048560148-lojban-in=lojban.org@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [66.218.66.94] by n34.grp.scd.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 25 Mar 2003 02:42:29 -0000 X-Sender: cowan@mercury.ccil.org X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_5); 25 Mar 2003 02:42:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 55719 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2003 02:42:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.216) by m1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 25 Mar 2003 02:42:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mercury.ccil.org) (192.190.237.100) by mta1.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Mar 2003 02:42:27 -0000 Received: from cowan by mercury.ccil.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 18xeOR-0001Ij-00; Mon, 24 Mar 2003 21:42:27 -0500 In-Reply-To: from Jorge Llambias at "Mar 25, 2003 02:38:35 am" To: Jorge Llambias Cc: lojban@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL66 (25)] Message-Id: X-eGroups-From: John Cowan From: John Cowan X-Yahoo-Profile: johnwcowan MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list lojban@yahoogroups.com; contact lojban-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list lojban@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 21:42:27 -0500 (EST) Subject: [lojban] Re: ancient clicks Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-archive-position: 4608 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: cowan@ccil.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list Jorge Llambias scripsit: > If {tcomoluNmas} is marked as having a different pronunciation > than {tcomolunmas}, I don't see how they can still be called > allophones. Because there are no minimal pairs in which [n] vs. [N] makes the difference. -- John Cowan http://www.ccil.org/~cowan cowan@ccil.org To say that Bilbo's breath was taken away is no description at all. There are no words left to express his staggerment, since Men changed the language that they learned of elves in the days when all the world was wonderful. --_The Hobbit_ ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Your own Online Store Selling our Overstock. http://us.click.yahoo.com/rZll0B/4ftFAA/46VHAA/GSaulB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe, send mail to lojban-unsubscribe@onelist.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/