From jjllambias@hotmail.com Wed Mar 05 07:16:24 2003 Return-Path: X-Sender: jjllambias@hotmail.com X-Apparently-To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_2_6_1); 5 Mar 2003 15:16:24 -0000 Received: (qmail 89809 invoked from network); 5 Mar 2003 15:16:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 5 Mar 2003 15:16:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hotmail.com) (216.33.241.49) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Mar 2003 15:16:24 -0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 5 Mar 2003 07:16:24 -0800 Received: from 200.49.74.2 by lw8fd.law8.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 05 Mar 2003 15:16:24 GMT To: lojban@yahoogroups.com Bcc: Subject: Re: [lojban] Any Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 15:16:24 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Mar 2003 15:16:24.0578 (UTC) FILETIME=[2F8E4620:01C2E32A] From: "Jorge Llambias" X-Originating-IP: [200.49.74.2] X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=6071566 X-Yahoo-Profile: jjllambias2000 X-Yahoo-Message-Num: 18822 la greg cusku di'e >I have two possible solutions to the problem of saying: > >"I need a doctor" (ie any doctor will do) > >(1){mi nitcu lu'a lo'i mikce} The way I understand {lu'a}, {lu'a lo'i mikce} is equivalent to {lo mikce}. Both are "at least one member of the set of all doctors". But I won't claim that {lu'a} has such a well established definition as {lo}. There are different understandings of how LAhEs work and they've never been fully clarified. >or > >(2){lo se nitcu be mi cu mikce} [...] >(2) arises from another concern. I'm wondering whether it would work >differently if da is scoped as being a {se nitcu}. It only works if the >following are not equivalent: > >mi nitcu da poi mikce >da poi se nitcu be mi cu mikce >da se nitcu be mi gi'e mikce Those are all equivalent. In logical terms, they all reduce to Ex:N(mi,x)&M(x) where N(,) is nitcu and M() is mikce. mu'o mi'e xorxes _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail