Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 12:26:01 -0000
To: lojban@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: za'ure'u ?
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la djorden cusku di'e

> On Tue, Mar 25, 2003 at 02:16:09PM -0800, Robin Lee Powell wrote:
> > On Tue, Mar 25, 2003 at 04:20:55PM -0600, Jordan DeLong wrote:
> > > On Tue, Mar 25, 2003 at 01:39:59PM -0800, Robin Lee Powell 
wrote:
> > > > Is the usage of "za'ure'u" for "the next time" considered 
Standard
> > > > Lojban at this point?
> > > 
> > > No.

Notice that "za'ure'u" means "again", or "one more time", it 
does not mean "the next time".
 
> > > It could refer to the 10th time also.  Or the time after this 
one. Or
> > > the 2nd time, which happened to come before this time, which is 
the
> > > 5th time.

No, it is always "this" time, the one we are talking about.
It may be the tenth, the second or the fifth. It may be any
one but the first. All we are saying is that something happens
and "not for the first time". That seems to me to be close
enough to "again".

> > OK.  So, za'u is "greater than the current value by n", right?
> 
> "za'u" is "za'upa".  Which is "Some number greater than one".
> 
> So it is the some-number-greather-than-oneth repetition of the
> occurance.

Exactly. Isn't that what "again" is too?

> > If the n defaulted to 1, would that help?
> > 
> > If not, is there another way to do this?
> 
> Something with prula'i for last, bavla'i for next.

{prula'i} and {bavla'i} are good for "last" and "next", but
they don't have much to do with "time" (in the sense of Sp. 
"vez", Fr. "fois", Eo. "fojo"). They don't refer to reccurences.

> xorxes also has suggested "ca le krefu" for the next.

{krefu} is "time" in that sense. So:

{ca le ca krefu} = "this time"
{ca le bavlamke'u} = "next time"
{ca le purlamke'u} = "last time"

mu'o mi'e xorxes